On those who believe And do good deeds There is no blame For what they ate (in the past).” (Quran 5: 93)
Statement of Dr Israr.
(Some companions along with Ali ibn Abi Talib (ra) were gathered together and had a few drinks and this was before the prohibition of alcohol. Then time for prayer came and Ali (ra) was asked to lead the prayers in which due to intoxication he made a mistake. Then the above mentioned verse of Surah Nisa was revealed. )
BY DR. ISRAR AHMAD
PROTEST
We, the muslim ummah, Strongly Condemn Dr. israr Ahmad for his statements recently given on Qtv against the Khulafaa e Rashideen, Ameerul momineen Ali ibne abi talib (a.s), based on fabricated hadith through unreliable narrators.
We request all the Muslims should immediately take action and email Qtv to stop telecasting his lectures till he apologized.
info@qtvonline.com, info@arydigital.tv
We also demand ignorant Dr.israr ahmad , tenders an unconditional apology to muslim ummah.
KARACHI – Sindh government has decided to take stern action against Dr Israr Ahmed, who was accused of passing objectionable remarks against Hazrat Ali (RA) while speaking in a local TV channel programme. Sindh Home Minister Dr Zulfiaqar Mirza has assured the annoyed religious scholars that the government, after looking into the matter, would lodge a case against Dr Israr Ahmed on account of his irresponsible behaviour, The Nation was told on Thursday
Keep us on the right path. The path of those upon whom Thou hast bestowed favors. Not (the path) of those upon whom Thy wrath is brought down, nor of those who go astray. (Al-Quran, 01:6-7)
We should not forget “The policy of divide and rule among followers of faiths and ethnic groups is an old policy of enemies and they are very expert in pursuing that policy.
Panel ulema of AQYouth india
—
Message of Peace 
Mai hairaan hoon,
Kay woh jo Khana-e-Kaaba mai paida hua, jis nay syed al anbiya (Hazrat Mohammad S.A.W.W) kay ghar parwarish pai, woh jo khalistan Hashmi hai, woh jo akela Faateh Badr, Khandaq, Khayber, o hunain hai, woh jo kabhi kisi jang say nahi bhagaa, woh jis ka naam ALI nabi nay khud rakha, Allah kay 99 naamo say agar kisi ka koi naam hai tu woh Abdul kay saath hai, yeh akela hai jis ka naam Abdul Ali nahi balkay Sirf Ali Hai, jo naam zameen par anay walon mai say kisi ka bhi nahi thaa, woh jo Ahl-e-Bayt say hai jin ki pakezgi ki gawahi khud quran nay di, woh jo Baab al ilm hain, woh jo nabi ki beti Fatima kay shohar hain, woh jinho nay apni saari zindagi tahafuz-e-nabooat mai guzar di, woh jinho nay sab say pehly kalma Rasool parha, woh jinho nay Haalat-e-Rakoo mai zakkat di, jo kabhi maazi mai but parrast nahi thay, jinkay mashoor alqaab, Murtaza, Mushkil Kusha, Abu Turab, Haider, Amir-al-momineen, Imam-al-mutaqeen hain,
Unkay baray mai tu Dr. Israr nay aisi hadees dhoond li,
Laiken who hazraat jinho nay saari zindagi rasool-e-khuda say dushmani ki aur talwaar kay khauf say 40 saal ki umar kay baad islam kabool kia, jinho nay zyada waqt jahalat mai guzara aur but parasti ki, unkay baray mai ibn-e-kasir aur in jaisay aur muhaddison ki kitabon mai abhi tak mai koi aisi hadees nahi dhoond paya,
Mai hairaan tu zaroor hoon,
Laiken saath saath mai Allah ka shukar guzar bhi hoon jis nay Momin aur Munafiq kay farq ko zahir kia aur Ahl-e-Bait ki mohabbat ko Rasool Allah ki mohabbat ka mayaar banaya
Wasalam,
Kamran Arif
Sharjah, UAE.
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khuda ki kasam tum logo nai zulim kya ..os shakhs per tumat bandh ker jo sirf or sirf Quran ki tafseer ker raha tha…pechli muslim ummat CHRISTIANS kya un pe sharaab haraam thi???? nahi … ab Allah ka paigham anay sai pehlay kya kisi ko pata tha kai ye haram honay wali hai…ab ahadis ko bhe nahi manu gai ..wallah tm log barbaad ho gai nahi ho rahey ho..tm logo ko pakistan mei Allah isi lye jotey perwah raha hai …..Allah Hafiz
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Asalamoalikum Wa rahmatullah Wa barakatahu,
Amma baad
My Dear Sunni Brothers sisters And my Dear Shia Brothers and sisters jis ne jo kaha so kaha wo jane us ka eeman jane or Allah jane hum q yahan per es behes ko dubara cher rahe hain or ek dusre per shadeed tankeed k sath sath ghalat alfaz ka istamal or gali galoch kar rahe hain.
Dekho bhai behno sab baato ko ek taraf rakho magar Apne pyare Rasool Allah S.A.W.S ki ye baat to yaad rakho k ek wakty ayee ga jab Ammar Bil Maruuf Nahi Anil Munkir ko Log chor bethain gay or GALI GALOCH BOHAT BARH JAEGI.
Dekho bhayo behno Allah Dr.Israr Sahab ki Maghfirat farmaye un pata chal gaya hoga k sach kia hai or jhoot kia hai magar hm ajj yahan per or kch nhe kar rahe bal k Pak hastiyon per tanqeed kar rahay hain. jo hamare deen or dunya ko gharat kar sikta hai. hamari ek choti c bhi ghalat baat hamare umar bhar ki tauba astaghfar bardab kar sakti hai. so plz i beg all of u brothers and sister not to use abusive language and try not to comment on such topics which may cause us to let our good deeds fall in vain.
May Allah guide all of us in his own true way. Ammeeen
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kamran Arif sb mein apke sath mutifiq hun . ap thek keh rahe hein. Maula apko khush rukhe. Ameen
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jo bat apkay dil aur dimagh ko na lagay usko choood do bolnay wala koi bheee hoooo
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Dr.Israr Use abuse language about Hazrat Ali(k.a.w) on QTV program on 7th Jamadi-us-Sani 12 June 2008
Dr.Anita Rai blasts Blasphemous Dr.Israr
Dr.Israr Ahmed (LANAT-ALLAH!)
“(Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam…” Quran 17:71
On the Day of ULTIMATE Reckoning all of creation will be summoned with
their respective Imams.
Our Prophet MUHAMMAD-E-MUSTAFA (peace upon him and his pure progeny)
has introduced our IMAM to us and identified the SHAJRA-E-TAYYIBA for us. As a result of the immeasurable mercy of Rasoolallah (saw) we have come to know our IMAM, with the declaration of whose Wilayat, DEEN-e-KHUDA-O-MUSTAFA has culminated in perfection of FAITH and
completion of GRACE (nemat) upon all creation.
We are infinitely indebted to RASOOLALLAH(SAW) for this as both the
Sunni and the Shia report his profound hadith: “One who dies without
knowing (marafat) his/her IMAM dies in a state of absolute ignorance
(jahiliya).”
Oh! Dr. of Blasphemy, in Islam, dying as a jahil is equivalent to
dying as a kafir.
Your sinful statement about IMAM-E-AWWAL ALI IBN ABI TALIB(AS) has
shown everyone THE CONDITION YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IN!!
None in his/her right mind believes in such garbage from Tirmidhi when
the same Tirmidhi narrates from Anas that the Prophet said (astagfar):
“The believer in Paradise will be given such and such strength for
sexual intercourse.” He was asked, “O Messenger of Allah, will he
really be able to do that?” He said, “He will be given the strength of
one hundred (men).” Sunan al-Tirmidhi hadith #2459
Tirmidhi, was an ardent student of the (bukhar) fever-ridden brains of
Bukhari, who happily reports that ‘Aisha has narrated: “The Prophet
and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub.
During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn
below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to
bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my
periods (menses).” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, hadith no.
298)
Dr. Israar, the trash you have puked in your inexcusably audacious
remarks, have also proved beyond doubt who are your Imams(la).
Subhan-Allah, how wonderfully the Quran hammers it, when it announces:
“And We made them Imams who call to the fire, and on the day of
resurrection they shall not be assisted. And We caused a curse to
follow them in this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall
be of those made to appear hideous.” 28: 41- 42
Your Imams(la) are the rogues who conspired in and partook of, the
crimes at Saqifa Banu Saida. Your spiritual masters(la), despite being
the fathers-in-law of Rasoolallah ignored and left his corpse and ran
to Saqifa to stab the covenant they had made with their Prophet at its
back; it must also be noted that they ran with the same speed with
which they fled the Battle-fields of Ohud and Hunain deserting their
Prophet! Your Imams(la) are the bastards from Shajra-e-Khabisa(la) who
murdered the 11 MOSAIC PRINCES from the PURE PROGENY of MUHAMMAD(SA),
– the IMMACULATE IMAMS(as), ignorance of and disobedience to, whom
adds up to kufr!! Your Imams(la) are the original terrorists who set
fire to the Door of the HER HOLINESS(SA) LADY OF LIGHT FATIMA, killed
her and her baby, Mohsin(AS). These are the ones who slaughtered the
family of OUR PROPHET in Karbala and imprisoned the members of the
HOLY HOUSE. Your ideological siblings, Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar
and Zarqawi, etc. are wrecking havoc on the civilized world as they
unleash the terrorism they have learnt so well from your ancestors,
Abu Bakr, Umar son of Zahhak the whore, Uthman, Abu Sufian, Muawiya,
Yazid and their progeny [God’s curse on them].
Shah Abdul Aziz says in pg. 263 of Tohfa Ithna Ashariya:
“What opinion should we have of those who express joy on Ashura when
IMAM HUSSAIN was killed; those who marry on that day; those who show
disrespect for the family of the Prophet and children of Syeda Fatima?
It is correct to categorise any such person as a MURATAD.”
You got your children married on Ashura. What better can be expected
from such a MURTAD as you?
The truth regarding your birth is reflected in RASOOLALLAH’s(saw)
hadith, which LADY ZAINAB(SA) recited in the court of Ibn Ziyad(la):
“My grandfather(saw) has said: ‘Enmity and malice (bogz) of Ali(as) is
forever carved on the foreheads of aulaade-e-zina, the illegitimate
born’.”
In his last words to Ali and Fatima, the Prophet of Islam had
denounced fourteen men and invoked the curse of God upon them: “O
Allah! I denounce them all: Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Talha, Abdul
Rehman ibn Awf, Sad bin Abi Waqqas, Abu Ubayda Jarraah, Muawiya ibn
Abu Sufyan, Amr bin Aas, Abu Musa Ashari, Mughirah ibn Shobah, Aws ibn
Hadthan, Abu Hurayra and Abu Talha” The fancy drinking party you have
quoted from Tirmidhi Sharif is supposed to have taken place in the
house of Abdul Rehman ibn Awf! Is it a coincidence?
Dr. of Apostasy, you are a disgustingly sick man, for whom the roaring
fires are eagerly waiting!
GOD’S CURSE UPON YOU AND YOUR SPIRITUAL BRETHREN. AMEN.
DR. ANITA RAI
LONDON
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Dear Sister ,
please be brave to face truth Dr. Israr had not said this from own side he got it in hadeet. Do u not believe in hadeet. I know that Ali is one of the best follower of Rasool-e- Akrakm Mohd. (PBUH ). But he is also a human . Allah bahoot maaf karne wala hai Usne yakinan unhe maaf kar diya hai tabhi to jannat ki basharat di hai jaise Hazrat Abu Bakr, ko di hai. Allah is only truly Rahman aur Raheem.
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Dr. Anita,
First of all, you guys were the one who started NIFAQ. There was no sect before but your introduced Islam to it. On top of that you keep following Abdullah Ibn-e-sabah. A jew who claimed to convert to Islam but was actually an enemy (a munafiq). He like, Qadianis, intended to destroy Islam from within. He was eventually murdered. Alaas, he created the seed of discord among the Muslims.
You guys follow that Jew. Your Shiaism borrows heavily from Jews and Majoosi (fireworshippers). It is to your benefit that you should dig up history and find out how Shiaism started. Don’t just repeat the mantra of your forefathers.
Allah(swt) has given us the intellect to use it. Alhamdolillah, I read the holy quran and learn from it. I never succumbed to my Barailvi upbringing.
You commit shirk by OVERLY eulogizing Hazrat Ali (RA) to the point of asking him for help (Ya Ali madad). This amounts to shirk for a Muslim ONLY asks Allah(swt) for help.
You guys are mistaken. You need to analyze what you have been fed over the years.
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Asslam-o-Alaikum brothers,
Mera in musalmanoon per roonay ka dil kurta hay kay bolnay ya likhnay say pehlay soochtay bhi nahien kay kia keh rahay haien.?
israr nay jis shakhsiat kay baray mea rawaiat byan ki hay uss kia azmat ko lakhoon koshishoon kay baad bhi chupaya nahien ja saka.
muger jin kay fazayal yea bayan kurta hay un kay baray mea in ki apni tafaseer or ahadees ki kitaboon mea kia kuch hay shayad yea jantay nahien…ya ager jantay haien tou chupanay ki koshish kurtay haien muger woh chupnay walli nahien….?
for example….kon nahien janta kay sharab peenay ki aadet kis ki ghutti mea thi…?
kon nahien janta kay wohi murnay say pehlay bhi ..NABIZ… (AIK KISAM KI SHARAB JO KHAJOOR SAY BUNTI THI) MEA DAWAI PEE KUR MURA….KON THA JO SAFAR KAY DORAAN APNI MUSHK MEA SAY KISI GHULAM KAY SHARAB PEENAY KI WAJHA SAY HANTROON SAY MARTA THA….?
ORR AGER NAHIEN JANTA TOU JAN LAY KAY YEAH AADATEEN KHALIFA 2ND UMAR IBNE KHATAB KI THIEN ….JO RASOOL ALLAH KAY GHAR MEA PARWARASH PAATA HOO USS PER ILZAM NAHIEN LAGAYA JA SAKTA.
aisi bohut si rawayat haien jo ager mimbaroon say bayan hona shuroo ho gaien tou musalmanoon ko chupnay ki jagha nahien milay gi.
abhi waqat hay sooch loo…..?
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sharam karo jahil insaan
tum kiss shaks kai bare mai ye baat bol rahe ho
HAZRAT UMER kai lie doob kai mar ja zaleel insan
agar akisi shaks nai ghalti ki (agar ki) to is mai un ka kia qasor is sai tum zaleel logo ka Bughz samne aaraha hai
ager pehle 3 khalifa itne hi bure the to phir HAZRAT ALI nai un kai khilaf JEHAD q nhi kia?
tum logo ki aqal per parde par gae hain tumhai koi nhi samjha sakta
ALLAH hum sab ko aql e saleem atta farmae
AAMEEN
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tum sharam karo kiran. sharam hum ko nahe bulkey apko ani chahiye because Hazrat Ali (A.S) ne jihad is liye nahe kiya ke Wilayat ap se start honi thi aur tamam wali jo aye wo apke dore haqoomat ke baad apki ghulami e mohabbat aur apki kadmon ki khak ko apne mathe per lga ker aye. aur Wese bi Allah ne mere Ali Maula ki ye shaan dikhani thi ke ae Ali Ibne Talib, Nabi (SWAS) ke ladle dost aur bhi wilayet apkse begin ho gi. because ap masoom hein aur wese bi kiran mardood sun le ke mera Ali is Ummat e Muslima ka aur mere Nabi (SWAS) ka chirag he aur chirag se roshni hoti he sharab se nahe. Mere Maula ALi ka muqabla un teenun se na kr. agr parna he tu Riaz Un Nasra ki Jild # 2 jo ke Sunniuon ki kitab he us ko per. us mein Hazrat umar ke bete hazrat abdullah bin umar nein Maula ALi A.S ke liye ye saaf saaf biyan kia he ke ap Maula Ali Sahabi nahe bulkey Ahle Bait hein. aur wese bi suhabi se Wilayet begin nhe ho sakti thi, is liye Hazrat Ali nein sabar kia aur Allah aur Nabi SWAS ke hukum ki takmeel ki. because wailyaet tu apse hi begin honi thi aur ap Ahle Bait hein. kiran Bewakof soocho kiyunke sahabi ka muqabla Ahle Bait se nahe ho skta.
Mere Maula ALi ki shaan ye mardood Israr Lanti kia jane aur us ke man ne wale kia jaane kiyunke ye tu azal se hi chalta a raha he ke Mavia ki Ulaad zinda rahe gi magr apno ki nahe bulke kisi aur ki mashoor ho gi. ye wo hi log hein jo Ahle Bait per ilzaam tarashi kerte hein. Aur wo jahannami hein.
baqi baat rahi jihad ki tu suno, Jihad tu us waqt se begin ho gaya tha jab mere Nabi SWAS nein gadir ke muqaam per fermaya tha, MAN QUNTU MALULA FAHAZA ALIUN MAULA, mgr un teenum nein jab Nabi SWAS ki baat nahe maani to wo
Mere Nabi ke ladle ALi A.S ki baat kese mante, jinhun nein Hazrat atima A.S ki baat nahe maani jab ap apne BABA ki wasiyat le ker un Khalifun ke derbar gaien thein aur us Wasiyat ke waqt e hakim nein 40 Tukre ker dieye gaye the. jab Un Hastiyun ki baat aur Jihaad nahe mana. suno Kiran Mere Ali A.S ne tu Wilyaet ka aghaz kerna tha. aur wese bi Hidyaet ALlah ki taraf se hoti he. Insaan jitna marzi Jihhad ker le. ye tu apne apne nasibun ki baat hoti he. jese Us Harami Israr nein Mere Malula Ali ke bare mein galat kaha. itna ALim ho ker bi us ke naseeb mein hidayet nahe. daro us din se jab Mere Imam Mahdi A.s ka zahoor ho ga aur doodh ka doodh aur pani ka pani ho jae ga. mgar uus waqt sirif intiqaam ho ga. time guzar jae ga. abi bi waqt he tuba ker lo.
Ghulame Khak e ALi A.S
khurram baig
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apne dmagh ka ilaj krwa. tm log jo HAZRAT HUSSAIN(R.A) K QATIL HO AJ USI KI SAZA MAIN PEET”TE HO. TM LOG AUR HM BHI HAZRA UMAR(R.A) AUR HAZRAT ALI(R.A) K PAOON KI KHAK BHI NHI BN SKTE AUR TM AISA KHTE HO. HYA KRO AGR KR SAKTE HO TO
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Bhai aap sab log bar bar ye jatane ki koshish kyo kar rahe hai ke hum log Ali (RA) ki shaan me koi gustakhi karte hai ya karna chahte hai ya unke rutbe ko chota samajhte hai ya chota dikhana chahte hai (khudankhasta)… Ye apki sarasar galatfahmi hai hum sab log Ali (RA) ki utni hi izzat aur unse utni hi muhabbat karte hai jitna ki karne ka haq hai…. ha ye zaroor hai ap ne unhe khuda se thoda upar darja diya hua hai jiske liye wo khud (Ali RA) kabhi is shirk ki ijazat nahi denge. Arey jab hum log Mohammad (SA) ko khuda ka sharik nahi kar sakte to Ali (RA) ka rutba to baherhal unse (Mohammad SA) kam hai (ya nahi???) to phir jab hum “Ya Muhammad Madad” nahi kahte to ap log “Ya Ali Madad” kah kar apne upar gunaah kyo lete hai kya khud Ali (RA) iski ijazat dete….. Ye sirf ek baat hai aur hazaro doosri bate bhi hai……khair sochiyega. Jaha tak Dr. Israr ki is hadees ki baat hai to pahli bat ye ke maine apne kano se unko ye kahte nahi suna. Agar kisi bhai ke pas is clip ka koi link ho to mujhe purtimes@yahoo.com per zaroor bhej dijiye ga.
Doosri baat mai ap logo ko 1 waqiya batata hu. (Ek bat bata du ke mai koi maulana alim nahi hu isliye is me kuch galtiyan ho sakti hai mafi chahta hu.) Ek bar kisi jang ke dauran ek sahabi ne kisi kafir ko us waqt mar diya jab ke wo kah raha tha ke mai imaan le aya (un sahabi ne soncha ki ye marne ke dar se jhoot bol raha hai) bad me jab ye baat Aap (SA) ko pata chali to ap ne narazgi zahir karte hue kaha ki kya tum uske dil me baithe they kya pata wo sach bol raha ho.
Isse ye sabit hota hai ke hum kisi ko munafiq nahi qarar de sakte (Sirf Allah Janta hai…aur wo jise chahe bataye) to phir hazrat Abu bakr (RA) ko hazrat uamar (RA) aur dusre sahabiyo ko munafiq kahna kaha thak durust hai. Wo iman lane se pahle kya they kya karte they in bato se iman lane ke bad koi fark nahi padta.
Jo Dr. Israr ne kaha wo history ki bat hai achchai ya burai ki bat nahi. Isse (MaazAllah) ALI (RA) ka martaba niche nahi a jata. Ha bahas is baat bar ho sakti hai ke wo history theek hai ya nahi. Lenkin ye bahas ka mudda hi nahi hai ki usse ALI (RA) ki beizzati ki gai (MaazAllah). Is tarah to ap log in bato ko bahi nahi manenge.
1. Iman lane se theek pahle Hazrat Umar apni bahan aur bahnoi ko iman le ane per mar rahe they.
2. Jang ohad me jin ki wajah se musalmano ko shikast hui wo hazrat khalid bin waleed (RA) they.
3. Jin sahabiya ne hazar Hamza (RA) ko shaheed karwaya wo hazrat Hinda (RA) thi…etc etc.
To history ke such hone ya nahi hone per to bahes ki ja sakti hai magar ye meaning nikalna ke ye ALI (RA) ki shaan me gustakhi karne ke liye kaha gaya hai sarasar galat hai Dr. Israr per ilzam hai.
Yasir
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Asslamuwalaikum
i am agree with dr israr ahmed wo galat nahe kah rahe the us hadees ke taqeeq karne chaheyai jo dr israr ahmed nai bayan ke laikin ya kahna ke dr israr ahmed nai mazallah hazrat Ali ke shan mai gustakhi ke hai ya un par ilzam tha mayre bhai hadees ke tahqeeq karo
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I understand the reaction of people, specifically Shia individuals, to this statement made by Dr Israr due to which he is now being defamed. But we must keep in mind the following things in determining our stance on his statement:
1. The man himself has repeatedly said he is not an aalem of any sort,
2. Identified the hadith and its sources and the context of it,
3. Has publicly apologized for any offense he might have caused in which he explains the reasons for how and why his statement came out like it did (and I for one believe him and consider the apology genuine and credible).
As far as I can tell, the point was not that Hazrat Ali used to get drunk and pray and then make mistakes, but the immediate point in quoting that hadith (as unreliable as it may be) was the fact that the hurmat of drinking alcohol had not yet been declared, and so those of the sahaaba who did consume alcohol had no order from God not to do so and thus were FREE FROM ANY BLAME WHATSOEVER. I believe this has been overlooked by many brothers in this forum and also on other websites. Furthermore, I believe the broader idea of the lecture by the Dr was to identify that commandments from Allah Rabbul Izzat were gradually revealed to the first Muslims. That is, first they were ordered by Rasul Allah to declare tauheed and abandon idol worship. Then later came nimaaz, roza, haraam/halal, etc. This was done specifically here with the explanation of the context of a few specific verses of Sura al Nisa.
Now as for the people who have topically looked at the news/website stories and references, I urge you to investigate further instead of simply passing judgement and stating your opinion on the matter. Please refrain from denouncing individuals simply for the sake of it, who are perhaps more learned than me or you, lest we remain ignorant. We do not need to hold protests with the picture of a prominent Muslim lecturer on the floor while we stomp on his face. We need unity and justice among ourselves in the face of aggression that our Muslim nations face today from the world.
Allah hum mahdina fi man hadayt, wa aafina fi man aafayt. Salaam un alal mursaleen, wal hamdulillah hi Rabb il aalameen.
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AOA….
WELL SAID BRO…atleast u spoke out of patience and knowledge rather that eXXAGERATING stuff and USIng acute abusive language unlike others…by shouting they thnk they are portraying THEMSELVES as true lover ov HAZRAT ALI(r.a)bt cant follow his foorsteps n act LIKE A BEHAVED man/women…do they thnk their reaction to dr israr wud be acceptable in the court of ALLAh?
n for argumnet sake say,though i dnt blv it he wud hv said anythng with wrng intention,bt even if he did…HE IS A HUMAN BEING people and AGAR insan se GHALTIYAN NA HOTO WO FARISHTA NA BANJAE…..se said one thng n u guys tarnished his reputation like anythng…bt u wnt c the BRIGHTER SIDE OV HIM….aik ghalti k badle hazaar nekiyan b to kar raha hai wo insan to kiya sabr-o-TAHAMMUL k saath samjhaya nae ja sakta…..APKO masla HAI aaap KHABARDAAR RAHEN….NA follow karen…aur auron tak apna point of view pohoncha den….Bt yeh kaunsa tareeka hai…IM SHOCKD AT U GUYS….
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u r absoultly right. DR ISRAR AHMED is just a human , he could did mistake and the matter of hazat ALI a.h we have to forget what was the statement of DR ISRAR AHMED . hume unki baki bayan sunne chahi ye
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Salamalykum,
Thanks Mazhar Husseini for detail reply and thinking about Muslim unity…..
1.You are 100% right that We need unity and justice among ourselves in the face of aggression that our Muslim nations face today from the world.
.But how it is possible? I am sure it is not possible if our leaders continue giving lectures which they are sure that it will hurt any other sect of Muslims.
.Dr Israr was well aware that his statement will create dispute among Muslims as it will hurt those who believe in Holy Quran ..infallibility of the Prophets and ahlulbayt.
.Which practice today enemies of slam adopted against slam and muslim? They started to assassination of character of Holy personalities of Islam and declaring Muslims terrorist and characterless example is Recent fitna film, cartoon of Holy Prophet(s.a.w) issue and like this so many others that Holy Prophet(s.a.w) married a kid or was having so many wives.
What Dr israr did? Tried to assassin character of khulfa e rashideen and ahlulbayt.
2 .You said: The man himself has repeatedly said he is not an aalim of any sort,
9.Reply: If he is not a Aalim then he must not give lectures on islam and Islamic personalities. It is also a sin ..speaking without having proper knowledge.
3.You said: Identified the hadith and its sources and the context of it,
.His statement was based of zaeef and rejected hadith of tirmizee. He was aware that is will hurt few sects of Muslims who believe in infallibility of the Prophets and ahlulbayt. And otber hadith of saheeh.
I am giving a hadith:
The Messenger of Allah recited “Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O’ People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you a perfect purification”. (Quran, the last sentence of Verse 33:33) and then the Messenger of Allah said: “Thus Me and my Ahlul-Bayt are clear from sins.”
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, as quoted in:
al-Durr al-Manthoor, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, v5, pp 605-606,198 under the commentary of Verse 33:33 of Quran
Dala’il al-Nabawiyyah, by al-Bayhaqi
.Others such as al-Tabarani, Ibn Mardawayh, Abu Nu’aym, etc.
Please note the word “thus” in the highlighted part of the above tradition. It means the Prophet himself is CONCLUDING that the verse MEANS Ahlul-Bayt (including himself) are sinless
and Holy quran says:
20.”Verily Allah intends to keep off from you every kind of uncleanness O’ People of the House (Ahlul-Bayt), and purify you with a perfect purification”. (Quran, the last sentence of Verse 33:33)
Do I need to make any comment?!
.WHY Dr israr neglected this hadith? which match with verse of Holy Quran..?
And when Abraham was tested by his Lord with certain commands and he fulfilled them. Then He said: Lo! I appoint you an Imam for mankind. (Abraham) said: And of my offspring (will there be Imam)? He said: My covenant does not reach the wrong-doers (among them).” (Quran 2:124).
And I remind Dr Israr by these words of holy Quran::
And seek not occasions for mischief in the land: for Allah loves not those who do mischief. ” (28:77).
Dear Mazhar Husseini … If you read saheeh bukhari, tirmizi the n you also know i can quote more than 100 hadith which may create dispute among Muslims…..why to use such Hadith ?
We understand Dr. israr is not a kid..he did this intentionally and his act resemble with enemies of islam who are trying to assassin character of Holy prophets and Holy khulfa e islam.
.ws
S.M.MAsoom
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My Brother Muhammad Bhai, Apko achachi knowledge hai Quran ki aur hadeet ki lekin aap choti aur sabse common baat bhool gaye ki Allah rabbul izzat ne insan ko kyu banaya aur quran kyu utari aur rasool kyu bheje , sirf isliye na ki insan is duniya me Allah ki badshahat kayam kare aur sab log uski bandagi kare , Allah ke rasool Mohd. (PBUH) ne bhi wahi kiya sabka maksad ek hi hai. To agar aap ashike rasool hai to aap par bhi faraz hai. Quran ka maksad hai sirf hidayat ka jariya banna aapka farz hai hidayat hasil karne ki koshish kare.
Aur aap baraye karam shiyao ki jabaan bolna band kare kyuki ye aap bhi jante hai ye wahi shiya hai jinhone Ahle bait ko karbala bula kar shaheed kiya hai. To wo kabhi sahi ho hi nahi sakte. Rahi Dr. Israar ke Aalim hone ki kind for ur information Aalim hone ke liye kisi Madarse se farig hona jaroori nahi hai. Allama Iqbal kisi madarse se farig nahi the Aalim ki degree nahi li thi ye depend karta hai aapki effort par aur Allah ki khushnudi par . Agar aap Quran ko achachi niyat ke saath samjenge to Inshaallah aap bhi aalim ban jayenge. Aalim ke mane hota hai jankar agar aap ek ayat ke jankar hai to aap ek aayat ke aalim hai. Allah aapko aur hamko Quran aur Allah ke rasool ki sunnat par amal karne ki taufiq de.
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men ny sab kuch paraha hy but shiaa hazraat bhi ajeeb hein yeh bhi bohat ghalat hy k Hazart Aki (RA) ki mohabbat mein khud say hi Hazrat Umar Farooq (RA) sy bughaz aur nafrat rakhein.Yeh log shariyaat sy maawraaa deegar masaalik per behas krtay hein .aur kufar tak chalay jatay hen.
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Bismillah Hir Rehman Nir Rahim, Aap apne dimagh ka elaj karwaiye is liye ke baat ho rahi thi Israr Iblisi ki aap Khalifae doum ka zikar khyon ched rahe hain is se saaf zahir hai key un ki mohabbat mein aap Ali a.s. ko bhul gaye, khair, Meri Dua hai ke aap ka hashr bhi Khalifae doum ke saath ho. Main Shiane Ali ki Taraf se Protest Karta Hoon Ke Jo kuch us Iblisi ne Kaha Hai us ka Hashr is Duniya mein aur Aakhrat mein us ko zaroor melay is liye yeh to aap ki fitrat hai keyaap ne Hazrat Ali ke Fazael aur Alqab un ko saunp Diye jo is ke layeq they hi nahin aur un ki Buraiyan Maula Ali ki taraf Mod dein jiskey woh layeq nahin they, chand ki taraf mitti uchalne se khud par hi padti hai. Mera maula bemisaal tha ,hai, aur Rahega aap kitni bhi koshish kar lein aap ki is jang mein Iblis aap ke saath hai aur aap ki yeh Jang Allah s.w.t key saath hai.
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mujhe yeh samjh nahi aata shiya ISLAM ki baat q kerte hain in logon ka to islam se koi taalluq hi nahi hai aur na hissa hai… aap log apne ko peeton aur sirf maafi mango ALLAH se jo aap logon HAZRAT IMAM HUSSAIN k sath kia….
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hussain
mere dost
aap nai kaha kai khalifa doum ki baat q cher di to shayad aap nai oper parha nhi kai aik zaleel or kamene shaks nai kis tarah kai ghatiya ilzaam un per lagae hain is lie baat cheri
or rhi baat aap ki dua ki kai tumhara hashar HAZRAT UMER kai saath ho to ALLAH tumhari zaban mubarak kare agar aisa hoa to kia hi baat hai or rhi baat HAZRAT ALI ki to un ki shaan mai ghustakhi karna to hamare nazdeek IMAN kharab ker deta hai
to yar tum log bughz na rakho warna isi bughz mai jal kai marjao gai jaise ab tak mar rhe ho apne hi hatho sai khud ko marte ho is sai bari phitkaar tum logo per kia hogi
ALLAH aqal de
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Respected sanaullah,
Allah ka shuker hai ki aap ko yeh samajh aa geya ki Dr. Israr ghalt hai.. Shia kisee sae bughz nahin rekhtae siwae uskae jo Allah aur unkae rasool Muhammad (s.a.w) aur unkae paakh aulaadoon sae bughz rakhae..
Kya yeh ghalat hai…Ki muslim unsae muhabbat kertae jinsae muhammat ka hukm quran main diya geya hai…?
Yaqeenan Kufer kae qareeb jana ghalat hai….lekin koi bhi insaan jab dunia main mayoos ho jata hai toh bhi kufer kae qareeb pahuncha jata hai, jab koi yeh kehta hai..yeh kaam maine kiyae..tab bhi kufer kae qareeb chala jata hai…kyoon ki mayoos hone ka matlab Allah pae bharosa nahin aur Main lawz ka istemaal bata ta hai ki Allah sab kerta hai ispae yaqeen nahin..
Her muslim ko behas kae dauraan is baat ka khyaal rekhna chaiyae ki kahin kufer kae qareeb na chala jae…..
ws
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Aassaalam-o-allaikum
mujay really dhek kar afsoos howa that
Dr. israr jaisay schalour is tharan ki batain kar sakta hay really mind blowing.
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my name is Shahzaib Munir
i really shocked after listning Dr. Israr ahmed he tried to hurt the pakistanis who r already hurt by the diffrent individuals but he hurts our soul n heart.
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This statement is very rude this work is done through the help of devil because a good muslim even cannot thought something about any Shabbi of PBUH specialy about Hazzrat Ali (RA).
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i think you all are crazy dr.israr is right and he has given the refrences of many book on the commentroy of quran by many mufassereen which clearly tellls this . so you all should open your eyes and see those books. and dr.israr is number 1 he is very great person and he is the best you silly shia’s
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I am amazed that a person having name “Hassan” can write such rubbish.Atleast keep reverence of your name. Salman Rushdi also gave references of Shahe-Sitta,Ahle-Sunnat sacred books.So should we start believing on what nonsense/ filth he wrote about our Holy Prophet(PBUH)?As per your theory, we should…humn.??????
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ISRA AHMED IS A EVEIL SCHOLER
MOLA ALI (A.S) K MUTALIQ ASI BATIN WOHI KAR SAKTA HAI JO ILM-E-DEEN SE DOR HO OR DUSHMAN-E-ISLAM KA CHANY WALA HO MAI EK BAT KEHTA HO K APP NA SHIA KI SUNA NA SUNNI KI BAS YEHJ DEHKO RASOOL ALLAH (S.A.W.A.WS) NEY KIS PE LANAT-E-KHUD DI OR KIS KO KULK-E-IEMAAN KHA BA KIS KO HAQ KHA OR KIS SE KHA K KAMRY SE BAHAR CHALY JAO ISLAM SRIF US KI IQTADA MAIN CHALY GA JIS KO KHUDA NEY BHEJA NA K USKI JIS KO DUNIA K BEWAQKOFON OR SHEHTANOO NEY APNY FIYDY K LIYE MOQRAR KIA KO JANG MAI BHAGA OR KON SHABE-E-HIJRAT BISTAR-E-RASOOL PE SOYA, KIA HUM UN KI IQTADA KARIN K JINHO NEY ALE RASOOL KA GHAR JALAYA YA UN KI JO SART-E-MUSTAQEEM KI TARFA NAHI BALKY SART-E-MUSTAQEEM PAR HAIN, HUM UN KO MANAIN JO HAMAIN BAHKSHWAIN GAY YA UN KO MANIN JIN KO APNY BAKSHY JANAY KA PATA NAHI JO KHUD BUGHZ-E-RASOOL RAKTY HAIN, ALLAH TALA NEY FARMAYA AYE LOGON TUM RASOOL KO ASY NA POKARO JESY TUM APNY DOSTON KO PUKARTY HO, TUM IN SE AGY NA BARHANA ( KHOA WO KSI BHI MAMLY MAI HO)TO AB ITERAZ KARNY WALO APNI TARIQH DEKHO OPR BOLO KO SA HAQ KA RASTA HAI OR KON SA KUFR KA, ATRAZ KARNA ASAN HAI USY SABIT KARNA MUSHQIL HAI OR SABIT WOHI KARSAKTA HAI JO HAQ PE HAIN…………………….
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AGAR ALLAH KE NABI KE BISTAR HAZRAT ALI THEY TO NABI SAW KE SATH SAFAR ME HAZRAT ABU BAKR THEY
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mgr ahsan sb bistar aur safar mein bohut farq hota he. agr mein apke bistar mein so jayun tu kia ap muje qatal nahe ker dein ge? magr safar tu her kisi se ker lena jaiz he beshaq manzalein alag alag hun.
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bistar mein so jane ka matlab he he ke jese mera bhi so jae koi farq nahe perta kiyunke wo ek khoon he. Nabi ka Ali Ke liye bistar dena is baat ka saboot he ke wo ek hi hein.Ahle Bait.
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How is unity possible? In my opinion, by avoiding unnecessary confrontation here specifically and by forgiveness in general. Firstly the Dr has publicly and expressly apologized for his statement, I urge you to have a look. I don’t fall for imitators and believe myself to be a good assessor of the character of people and this man, Dr Israr, seems to me nothing more than an honest servant of Allah Tabarik wa ta’aala who is trying in his earnest to do only that which is good and Islamic. A man of his stature doing so in public is not easy and it speaks for the Dr’s guileless intentions. Yet I will understand and agree if you say that it isn’t sufficient. But neither was the excuse of the sahaaba who did not lie to the Prophet when he asked them why they did not join the Muslim army in the ghazwa/battle. And still, as you and I both know very well, Rahmaan Himself pardoned them (though after a period of time) for He is the Rahim and He loves to forgive, ordered His last and honored prophet Hazrat Muhammad to forgive, and Muhammad (pbuh) in turn ordered the Muslimeen to follow his example, or (I paraphrase here since I don’t remember the exact words): If someone inflicts harm on you, you have the right to avenge yourself but if you forgive then it is better for you and Allah is the best of judges and He loves forgiveness. As an afterthought, I do not consider the mainstream Shia a “sect” of Islam. They are only Muslims to me who, as I see it, hold different views regarding commandments and other matters of Islam so I leave judging them to Allah alone as can only be done.
I strongly disagree with your opinion on Dr Israr being aware of creating controversy in the Muslim community by harming the sentiments of the Shia community at large, and of the Sunni community to some extent as well. If he had such intentions then I seriously doubt he would have written pamphlets and other material urging the importance of Sunni-Shia unity and understanding. Those specific writings of his have been, as I’ve heard, endorsed and distributed by a prominent Shia scholar whose name escapes me at the time. Most of his public speeches concern Islamic matters while giving a comprehensive overview of Islamic orders concerning the establishment of Deen al Haqq. I have never heard him either portray or even mention Muslims of Shia beliefs in any negative connotations. I’m assuming that the fact, which you just mentioned, regarding the infallability of the Prophet as well as the Ahl al Bayt is the root of the grief expressed here. Sunni individuals, as far as I know, only hold the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to be entirely innocent by the Grace of Allah and not anyone else. But this is one of those things that we must compromise on if we are to achieve success here and in the hereafter. I think personal beliefs such as these must be left for Allah alone to judge when the major tenants of Islam are intact and not altered. Either way, the Dr’s lecture was clearly not to focus on Hazrat Ali’s incompetence (naoozubillah) or anything of the sort. He was, as I perceived it, simply supporting his statements of the lecture in enhancing the audience’s views regarding the matter of the gradual submission of the Sahaaba to the complete Islam, i.e, the fact that things were gradually made farz on the sahaaba such as not having more than four wives, paying zakaat, offering sadqa, establishing deen, the abstention of haraam, farz of hajj, etc.
As for the Fitna film and the Western objections of Hazrat Muhammad’s character, I am apalled that you would couple Dr Israr’s statements, as hurtful as they may be to you or other brothers, with the absolutely disgusting and baseless comments of Western enemies of Islam. Do you honestly perceive the man as attempting to assassinate the character of Hazrat Ali? Thousands like him cannot do so but he is not even trying here. His focus was on making something else clear to his audience through that hadith and not to hurt anyone as is made apparent by the circumstance and context of the speech. I am lost as to why my other brothers do not, or will not, see it. I agree with you but an aalim or scholar in the sense it is used in our Muslim communities of Pak-o-Hind, refers to a formal Muslim scholar who has been under the supervision of and and has graduated/attended an accredited Muslim school. Though is not a scholar in the official sense as he himself declares in many of his speeches before his audience, he is, in my opinion due to what he preaches and says, a highly learned man. Nothing I’ve heard from him has ever given me the impression that he is incapable or incompetent in religious matters.
Here is another quotation of the verse you referenced to: “When the Tathir verse (33:33) was revealed in her house. At that time, `Ali, Fatimah, Hasan, and Husayn were in her house. Muhammad spread his cloak over them and stated ‘These are the members of my Household, and Allah has purified them of all (sins and faults and uncleanness).'” The source is the same as yours but apparently differently phrased. Either way, the prophet also said in response to numerous queries by sahaaba who were new to Islam, that their previous sins were indeed forgiven entirely by Allah’s Grace. If we are to be technical here, then the word “has purified” implies purification which was not since birth but might have been after they accepted Islam. Either way, I’m no expert and these are mere conjectures of mine simply to make the point that one cannot, at least I cannot, point to Hadith like this and come forward with resolute conclusions regarding the content. I’d like to say here that I personally do not concern myself with the infallability of the Ahl al Bayt since neither mine nor yours, for that matter, eternal salvation is dependent upon deciding on this issue. I do, however, understand your concern since the foundation of a building must be strong in order for anything sturdy to be built upon it but I sincerely believe this to be just one of Shaytaan’s tools to sow dissent and he succeeds marvelously due to Muslim’s general tendency to not be attentive to the big picture.
I have read the last sentence of the 33rd verse of Surah Ahzaab and as I understand it, the statement of Allah Ta’aalaa comes after His command to the prophet’s (pbuh) wives to stay chaste and gives them blessings of Heavenly reward. The word “yureedu” in the part of the aya that you quoted apparently also means to “wish”. Depends on what you choose but, regardless, here Allah is giving the reason for the commands that He has mentioned immediately before this last section of the ayat. It is not a declaration but a statement.
As for your last comment, it was truly unfortunate for Dr Israr to quote the hadith in question but we must not ignore facts here when we attempt to analyze the comments. Again I would hope that you would not couple Dr Israr with anti-Islam individuals of the West because a Muslim cannot be compared to those who are outright rejecting of the faith. As a final thought, please understand that this entire reply of mine is in no way an attempt to discredit you or your opinion, nor am I attempting to agonize you. It is only to state what I think about the matter and my perception of it and try to get you to understand why I see things this way. This is all I have to say on this so this will be my final post.
Assaalaam-u-alaikum wa alainaa wa alaa ibaad Allah hisSaliheen.
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Salamalykum,
Once more thanks Mazhar Husseini for detail reply. I personally do not give importance to person when i discuss on islam. I do not know Dr israr but by your all the mails i concluded, he is not an Aalim or islamic research scholar but only a orater..
It is not good for any orater to speak on islamic history or explaon tafseer of quran. In fact explaoning tafseer of quran is a duty of an Aalim only.
As you said Dr has publicly and expressly apologized for his statement. I have not read any such statement and if you have copy plz forward it to me. But i believe on your words and if he think it was his mistake and in future he will take precaution then we all must forgive him and you can see in our post we also demanded him to tenders an unconditional apology to muslim ummah.
So i request you to support us by forwarding his apology letter so we can publish it here in the same post..
Unity is possible among muslim umma by avoiding unnecessary confrontation everywhere and also by forgiving.
It is our (muslims) bad luck that eveerybody knows we are divided in 73 sects but very few knows jews also divided in 72 sects..THEY ARE UNITED EVEN AFTER HAVING SO MANY DIFFERENCES BUT WE ARE BUSY IN HURTING EACH OTHERS SENTIMENTS. WHY?
Bro. just see what is difference in shia or sunni or wahabi,maliki, hanafi and shafai..? We all having 98% similarities but always our oraters, ignorant leaders, try to impress their followers by discussing and concentrating on disputed issues, Hadith, tafseer, events. Why they do not concentrate on 98% similarities?
We all even our kids who have less knowledge of islam knows …shia bealieve that hazrat Ali (a.s) is their first imam and wasee of holy prophet(s.a.w) and all muslim knows shia believe in infallibility of the Prophets and ahlulbayt(a,s) shia also believe father of Hazrat Ali (a.s) and guardian of Holy Prophet(s.a.w) was a muslim.
How can you say Dr.Israr was not aware of all these facts? That fact is he intentionally presented that zaeef ,disputed and by some fabrivated hadith of tirmizee.
His all such disputed works are not new and so many times discussed by Muslim ulama and so many rejected and some supported and no one thought to insult Dr israr but when he started to speak his controversial researches from open plateform then muslim world started to protest.
Listen this also. Alama Hafiz Muhammad Ashraf Qadri, Alama Speaks on the Authenticity of the Hadith of Tirmizi
http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=xUMMdQG2FkU
and also see what Dr. Tairul qadri says:
http://deenislam.com/islam/splay.php?id=697
Full 11 hour lecture of Shaykh-ul-Islam Dr Tahir-ul-Qadri rejecting the comments by Israr Ahmed.
http://www.minhaj.co.uk/index.php?controller=product&path=24&product_id=104
You can see so many views and research on the same issue by shia and sunni ulema both.
It is duty of our scholars including Dr israr , not to waste time in presenting disputed hadith or disputed issues. If really they want islamic unity..
First Dr zakir nair then now This Dr Israr..The result of both statement is ..Dispute among muslims..
Its is sufficient for muslims to know that consuming alcohal is prohibited in islam ref verse of Surah Nisa.
We all muslims pray salat and consider ourselve slave of allah subhan o tala and we all do every thing to please Allah only and dream about jannah. In short we all think we are on right path. Do you not think it is sufficient for us to consider all muslims our brother?
But we feed our kids. no we are maliki, we are shia, we are hanafi..we differ to each other. They are wrong, they are munafiqs, they are kafir…without thinking all such way of blaming other muslim is also prohiobited in islam.
Dr zakir nair comes and praise certified batil like yazeed then Dr israr comes and try to assassinate the character of Hazrat Ali?
Ask him what he knows about Prophet issa, Mooses, ibarahim and wine. If there is any detail awailable in history.. ?
No people like Dr israr always do research on disputed issues…why?
Every day new scholars are coming with new disputed researches and all give ref of hadith..
Do you not think there are lots of disputed hadith available in bukhari and tirmizee? do you follow all the hadith? NO. WHY?
For ex i am giving one simple hadith which support practice of shia..
In Saheeh Muslim – which is considered by Sunnis, along with Saheeh Bukhari, as most authentic books after Quran – In the Chapter, of (combining two Prayers)
Ibn Abbas said – that the Prophet (S.A.W.) prayed Zohr and Asr in Medina together without any cause for fear and without travelling. Then Ibn Abbas was asked: Why the Prophet did that. He replied: – He did not want anybody from his Ummah to face difficulty.
YOU can see majority of sunni are against this practice. WHY?
It confirms just giving ref of any hadith book for any hadith is not sufficient.
You also raised few questions ie hadith e kissa 33.33 ect.. seoerately we can discuss if you want to know the truth.
I hope br. you will also concentrate more on muslim unity and will not support those scholars who speak on disputed issues and hurt other muslims..
ws
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Dr Israr Exposed, By Hazrat Alama Hafiz Muhammad Ashraf Qadri Sahib, Alama Sahib Speaks on the Authenticity of the Hadith of Tirmizi Shareef He used:
Part 1:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUMMdQG2FkU
Part 2:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOEXFOzWQhA
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ASSALAMOALAIKUM:I read all the comments given by my brothers and sisters about Dr Israr Ahmed.I personally have no idea about what he say but i guess from all these comments that he say very wrong about HAZARAT ALI(RA) and i strongly protest on his comments,and one thing more i want to say to Shias that as you people are giving respect to HAZARAT ALI(RA) the same respect give to all the SAHABAS(RA).
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Dr.Israr Use abuse language about Hazrat Ali(k.a.w) on QTV program on 7th Jamadi-us-Sani 12 June 2008
Dr.Anita Rai blasts Blasphemous Dr.Israr
Dr.Israr Ahmed (LANAT-ALLAH!)
“(Remember) the day when We will call every people with their Imam…” Quran 17:71
On the Day of ULTIMATE Reckoning all of creation will be summoned with
their respective Imams.
Our Prophet MUHAMMAD-E-MUSTAFA (peace upon him and his pure progeny)
has introduced our IMAM to us and identified the SHAJRA-E-TAYYIBA for us. As a result of the immeasurable mercy of Rasoolallah (saw) we have come to know our IMAM, with the declaration of whose Wilayat, DEEN-e-KHUDA-O-MUSTAFA has culminated in perfection of FAITH and
completion of GRACE (nemat) upon all creation.
We are infinitely indebted to RASOOLALLAH(SAW) for this as both the
Sunni and the Shia report his profound hadith: “One who dies without
knowing (marafat) his/her IMAM dies in a state of absolute ignorance
(jahiliya).”
Oh! Dr. of Blasphemy, in Islam, dying as a jahil is equivalent to
dying as a kafir.
Your sinful statement about IMAM-E-AWWAL ALI IBN ABI TALIB(AS) has
shown everyone THE CONDITION YOU ARE GOING TO DIE IN!!
None in his/her right mind believes in such garbage from Tirmidhi when
the same Tirmidhi narrates from Anas that the Prophet said (astagfar):
“The believer in Paradise will be given such and such strength for
sexual intercourse.” He was asked, “O Messenger of Allah, will he
really be able to do that?” He said, “He will be given the strength of
one hundred (men).” Sunan al-Tirmidhi hadith #2459
Tirmidhi, was an ardent student of the (bukhar) fever-ridden brains of
Bukhari, who happily reports that ‘Aisha has narrated: “The Prophet
and I used to take a bath from a single pot while we were Junub.
During the menses, he used to order me to put on an Izar (dress worn
below the waist) and used to fondle me. While in Itikaf, he used to
bring his head near me and I would wash it while I used to be in my
periods (menses).” (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 1, Book 6, hadith no.
29 8)
Dr. Israar, the trash you have puked in your inexcusably audacious
remarks, have also proved beyond doubt who are your Imams(la).
Subhan-Allah, how wonderfully the Quran hammers it, when it announces:
“And We made them Imams who call to the fire, and on the day of
resurrection they shall not be assisted. And We caused a curse to
follow them in this world, and on the day of resurrection they shall
be of those made to appear hideous.” 28: 41- 42
Your Imams(la) are the rogues who conspired in and partook of, the
crimes at Saqifa Banu Saida. Your spiritual masters(la), despite being
the fathers-in-law of Rasoolallah ignored and left his corpse and ran
to Saqifa to stab the covenant they had made with their Prophet at its
back; it must also be noted that they ran with the same speed with
which they fled the Battle-fields of Ohud and Hunain deserting their
Prophet! Your Imams(la) are the bastards from Shajra-e-Khabisa(la) who
murdered the 11 MOSAIC PRINCES from the PURE PROGENY of MUHAMMAD(SA),
– the IMMACULATE IMAMS(as), ignorance of and disobedience to, whom
adds up to kufr!! Your Imams(la) are the original terrorists who set
fire to the Door of the HER HOLINESS(SA) LADY OF LIGHT FATIMA, killed
her and her baby, Mohsin(AS). These are the ones who slaughtered the
family of OUR PROPHET in Karbala and imprisoned the members of the
HOLY HOUSE. Your ideological siblings, Osama bin Laden, Mullah Omar
and Zarqawi, etc. are wrecking havoc on the civilized world as they
unleash the terrorism they have learnt so well from your ancestors,
Abu Bakr, Umar son of Zahhak the whore, Uthman, Abu Sufian, Muawiya,
Yazid and their progeny [God’s curse on them].
Shah Abdul Aziz says in pg. 263 of Tohfa Ithna Ashariya:
“What opinion should we have of those who express joy on Ashura when
IMAM HUSSAIN was killed; those who marry on that day; those who show
disrespect for the family of the Prophet and children of Syeda Fatima?
It is correct to categorise any such person as a MURATAD.”
You got your children married on Ashura. What better can be expected
from such a MURTAD as you?
The truth regarding your birth is reflected in RASOOLALLAH’s(saw)
hadith, which LADY ZAINAB(SA) recited in the court of Ibn Ziyad(la):
“My grandfather(saw) has said: ‘Enmity and malice (bogz) of Ali(as) is
forever carved on the foreheads of aulaade-e-zina, the illegitimate
born’.”
In his last words to Ali and Fatima, the Prophet of Islam had
denounced fourteen men and invoked the curse of God upon them: “O
Allah! I denounce them all: Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman, Talha, Abdul
Rehman ibn Awf, Sad bin Abi Waqqas, Abu Ubayda Jarraah, Muawiya ibn
Abu Sufyan, Amr bin Aas, Abu Musa Ashari, Mughirah ibn Shobah, Aws ibn
Hadthan, Abu Hurayra and Abu Talha” The fancy drinking party you have
quoted from Tirmidhi Sharif is supposed to have taken place in the
house of Abdul Rehman ibn Awf! Is it a coincidence?
Dr. of Apostasy, you are a disgustingly sick man, for whom the roaring
fires are eagerly waiting!
GOD’S CURSE UPON YOU AND YOUR SPIRITUAL BRETHREN. AMEN.
DR. ANITA RAI
LONDON
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in reply to the disgusting comments by so called Dr Anita Rai which amount to blasphemy and kuffar with reference to her hatred for the Prophet’s blessed companions including the Khulfa e Rahideen, May Allah and his Prophet CURSE you for your hatred of those loved by Allah and his Prophet.
The reference you gave wherein the Blessed Prophet allegedly cursed his own companions is even more unreliable than the one relied upon by Dr Israr Ahmed,this along with many countless others attributed to the Prophet or the Imams have been fabricated by the blasphemous Shia to lend credence to their God Cursed satan inspired beliefs which were introduced by Abdulla Ibn Sabah the Jew.
In her denunciation of Dr Israr Ahmed Dr Anita Rai from the poison in her heart commits even greater blasphemy,May Allah protect us from the ignorant especially those carrying the title of a ‘DR’.
By seemingly trying to justify the infallibility of Imam Ali (A.S.) she and her ilk actually cast apersions on the infallibility of the Prophet and Imam Ali,did the Prophet who kept such confidantes and companioins even marrying their daughters (of Hazrats Abu Bakr (ra) AND Omar and giving in marriage Two of his own daughters to Hazrat Uthman not know of their true character and why did Imam Ali give BAYAH to Hazrats Abu Bakr,OMAR and Uthman and name his sons after them? My final advice to Dr Anita Rai before it is too late give REASON a chance and turn to Allah’s DEEN ,ISLAM for the one you are following is anything BUT Islam,
Naweed
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no doubt that dr israr has been found so many times talking about shiaan e ALI and is dte hard against the shias.i strongly condemn his lectures on qtv n should be stopped imed y others like dr zakir,dr tahir ul qadri etc are not controvertal but heis always facing such controversies.
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This is not true..You are all ignorant as Dr Israr is learned man and he read this all before he spoke.
He never made up any thing from himself.Please people open your minds and think outsdie the box. Suhaba were also human beings and not saints.Dr Israr speech does not give any indication of disgrace towards Ali(ra).
This is the main problem with us and all pakistani people.They dont know about Quran and hadeeth and just talk like monkeys. Come on people..read some books.
Thnak you
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Dear Sir,
I am giving you Hadith with ref in which it is confirmed when the this verse reveled Surely Allah wants to kep away from you all impurities O` Ahlul Bayt, and purify you best purifying). 33:33
Those who are trying to challenge This verse of quran are agents of iblees. so dear read more Hadith before defending Iblees.
ws
Read this:
The prophet (SAWA) ordered all Muslims to keep following Quran, and Ahlul Bayt, so that they will never go astray if they keep following both of them. (Saheeh Muslim vol.4 p.1874,Sunan Al-Tirmithi vol.5 p.662,Munad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal vol.3 p.14,and many other sources.
From Aeysha, daughter of Abu Bakr,and a wife of the Prophet, that the Prophet (SAWA) had a black cover under which he put Hasan and Hussain, and Fatema, and Ali, then recited (Surely Allah wants to kep away from you all impurities O` Ahlul Bayt, and purify you best purifying). 33:33
This Hadeeth explains who are Ahlul Bayt (AS), and is narrated in : Saheeh Muslim vol.7, p130. And Mustadrak Al-Saheehayn by Al-Haakim Al-Neesabori vol.3, p. 147. And Al-Sunan Al-Kubra by Al-Bayhaqi vol.2, p. 149. And Tafseer Al-Tabari vol. 22, p. 5. And Tafseer Ibn Katheer vol.3, p.485. And Tafseer Al-Durr Al-Manthoor by Al-Soyooti vol.5, p. 198 & 199.
From Um Salamah,a wife of the prophet(SAWA) that when the verse ( Surely Allah wants to keep away from you O`Ahlul Bayt all impurities, and purify you best purifying) was revealed, then the Prophet (SAWA) called Ali, Fatema, Hasan, and Hussain, and covered them with a cover and said (O`Allah these are my Ahlul Bayt…..).
This Hadeeth was narrated by Abu Sa`eed Al- Khidri fom Um Salamah, Tafseer Al-Tabari vol.22, p. 6. And Tafseer Al-Durr Al-Manthoor by Al-Soyooti vol.5, p. 198.
This Hadeeth shows that even the wives of the Prophet (SAWA) were not included in (Ahlul Bayt) as Um Salamah wished to be included and that Ali(as) was part of Ahl al bait(AS), but was told by the Prophet (SAWA):- You be at your place, and you are on good.
You may refer to find some of these Hadeeths to:- Al-Sunan Al-Kubra by Al-Bayhaqi ; vol. 2, p. 150, Tafseer Ibn Katheer; vol. 3, p. 483. Al-Durr Al-Manthoor by Al-Sayooti; vol.5, p.198. Al-Mustadrak by Al-Hakim Al-Nisabori; vol. 2, p. 416. Tareekh Baghdad by Al-Khateeb Al-Baghdadi; vol. 9, p. 126. Tafseer Al- Tha`alibi; vol.1 , p. 334. Saheeh Al-Tirmithi; vol. 13, p. 248 &249. Musnad Ahmad Bin Hanbal; vol.6, p. 292. And Tahtheeb Al-Tahtheeb; vol. 2, p. 297.
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S.M.MAsoom
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SALAM EVERY ONE. ME NE SAB BHAION K MSGES PARHE AUR BARA DUKH HUA UN LOGON KO SUN K JO DR ISRAR KO APPRECIATE KAR RAHE HE UN KI IS STUPID HARKAT PE.PAR KASOOR IN LOGON KA NAHI HE KION K IN KA TALUK UN AUR SHAJRA UN SE MILTA HE JO ALLAH K AKHRI NABI HAZRAT MUHAMMAD (S.A.W.W) K DUSHMAN THEY.APNEY AP KO MUSLIM BOLTEY HAIN PAR SHARAM ATI HE IN MUSLMANOON PE.BIBI SYEDA (A.S) PE DARWAZA GIRANEY WALEY KI BARABARI HAZRAT ALI (A.S) SE KARTEY HAIN.AUR KEHTEY HEIN K SHIA KAFIR.SAB NE APNI APNI KABAR ME JANA HE HISSAB APNA APNA HONA HE IS LEAY JIN KI AQLON PE TALEY HAIN WO NAHI TUT SAKTEY AIK SHER KAHU GA.
YA ALI (a.s) AP KA NAM ACHA LAGTA HE
AP KI NISBAT SE ISLAM ACHA LAGTA HE
LOG KEHTEY HAIN KAFIR AP KE ISHQ ME
AP K ISHQ ME YE ILZAM ACHA LAGTA HE
AP SAB BHAION SE GUZARISH HE K ISLAM AUR KURAN KO SAMJHAIN AUR PHIR IS K BARE MAIN BAAT KARE.BAJAEY FITNA PHELANEY K AMAN KAIM KARE HUM MUSLIMS KO WESE WORLD ME BOHAT PROBLEM FACE KARNI PAR RAHI HEIN IN KO MINIMIZE KARE NA K APNEY AP KO AUR BADNAM KARE.ALLAH HAFIZ
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Hi brothers and sisters
Dr Israar Ahmed may have made a mistake. you are all coming on him so strongly, after all he is also one of our muslim brothers we should sort this matter in a cool and nice way not by spatting at him and so strongly accusing him. the western world is making fun of Islam, our prophet etc is that not more of an issue than coming so strongly on a muslim brother who although he – if he said this – shouldn’t have said but he has given some wonderful lectures about Islam what about that all of you who are criticising him now – have you got the ability to give such knowlegable lectures or even spend 5 minutes spreading Islamic knowledge to people! I bet not because only such people so jump at the first mistake a human being makes and just loves accusing him. wow to you all for accusing a muslim brother! what if he was your own brother you would have quieten this issue down and quitely explained him about the mistake he has made – Allah does not like hypocrites REMEMBER!
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aslam e elkum
Alhamdullah v have still good people in pakistan like Moulana Tariq Jameel ,DR Israr Ahmed this site is made by a shia thats y u all ppl r saying ths to him u ppl wanted to convince us tht the father of Hazrat Ali was muslim but he was nt ur justifications is tottaly wrong u ppl r against dr israr ahmed coz he did his son,s marriage on 10th muharram it does nt matter the all family of our holy prophet(saw) is holy for us but no month n no day is bad i ll merry my son on 9th r 10th muharram u ppl r dng shirk by saying mola ali or ya abbas (nawozbillah) dr israr ahmed is a grt scholar aur ap ky kuch kehny sy un ko koi farak nahi pary ga coz he never say any1 bad u say him coz u r bad
n i wana tell u 1 more thng if ALLAH give me another son tau may us ka nam AMEER MAWIA rakhon ge coz he was the great hero of islam
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Mashallah.
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I have been watching Israr’s speeches for over 6 years. Sorry, I have lost my respect for this hypocrat who comes on Peace TV. I remember him saying at one time that Qadianis are ‘Wajibul Qatl’. I am not a Qadiani, but I think if there is any who is ‘Wajibul Qatl’, it is this Israr.
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SALAM BROTHERS AND SISTERS .THIS IS THE FACT FIRST WE KNOW ABOUT DR ISRAR AHMAD.HE IS A GREAT SCOLAR.BEFORE CRITICISE WE MUST HAVE KNOWLEDGE.THIS IS SHIAS CRITISM.IF WE KNOW ABOUT HISTORY OF ISLAM , WE NEVER CRITISE DR. ISRAR AHMAD.THIS IS SHIAS PROPAGANDA.IF YOU KNOW DR ISRAR AHMD HOW HE IS LIVING.I NEVER SEE ANY SCOLAR LIKE DR ISRAR AHMAD.STILL HE IS STAYING ONLY ONE ROOM HOUSE WITH HIS WIFE.
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Aslam_o_alikum
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Aslam_o_alikum
main last 7years se mohtarat D.israr Ahmad ko janta hu aur mere nazdeek un par shiya hazrat ki taraf se lagay gay tumam ilzam jhootay hain kyoun k un ka apna kehna hai k Hazrat Ali R.A aur ahlay beyt ki mohabt imaan ka hissa hai baqi rahay shiya hazrat tu un ka farz tha k is baat par ilmi behs kartay na k apna katar aur jahilana pan ka saboot detay Allah un ko hadayat de ammmin
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hee is a great looser and a haram ka bacha
and too mr imran khan
AAP JAHILOO KI SOHBAT MAIN 7 SAAL SAY HAIN TAB HII AAP NAY YAH REPLY KIA HAI BUT LEMME MAKE IT VERY CLEAR K SIRF HIA HI NAHI SUNNI ULAMA NAY BHI US KOO GHALAT KAHA HAI AUR WOOOO HAMESHA GHALAT RAHAY GA AUR US KI NASALAIN GATAR MAIN PAIDA HOON GII INSHALLAH
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TERI MA KI……….Sale tu aur teri all aulad gatar mai mare
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I read all commits form Muslims and Yazidies, and want to say to Mrs Shahid that either using name Mavia for his unidentified son, she can use Mavia son name ,, YAZID for his son.??? is it ok or not?
Ameer Mavia and his son must be proud on you to being you with his family in hell.
May God keep us safe from Yazidies and dusmanae ahale-bait.
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allah hum sub per apna fazal fermai wagarna hum jis level k musliman aor insaan han jews hindus aor christians ne sumuj liya ha aor humari khater tawazu bhee khoob kr rhe han>
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dr israr ahmed peace tv pr atey han.jinko ehtraz ha bjai rude aor emotional hona k un se ilmi dialogue kren.un ka kitabcha misl-e-eese hazrat ali ra zaroor parh lain.dr.sb ne ak hawala quote kia ha.hawala quote krne pr koi banda itna bura nhn ho jata k hum apne hosh hwas gum kr bethen aor jo moohn man aie buk dan ta k doosray ko pata chale k hum is ikhlaq aor kirdar k malik han.(request) sare log muj se hazar guna behtar han.man maula ali ka guda hun sydna husain ke yad mera dil ke thandak ha. yazeed aor un qabron pr laanat jinhon ne mera hussain shaheed kia.
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shia kafir han swad e azam ehle sunnat ka mutafiqa fatwa ha
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We muslim umma over react with such type of bogus comments given by any muslim scholar and make a hue & cry situation and forget our farz(Duties)and spend most of our time and enrgy with such type of issue.
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I am unable to understand that shia brothers are objecting what? Dr Israr or Hadees? If he has qouted an hadees then he should be asked to give the reference of book and if he gives it then you all people should apologise Dr Israr and if he fails, the whole nation is with you people. I think it is not strange to know that some companion of Holy Prophet (peace be upon Him) was using alcohal before its prohibition. I would request you all to please see SAHEE BUKHARI, KITAAB-UL-MUGHAZI, HADEES NO 1475 to comfort your self. Thanks
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Assalam_o_Alaikum,
Dear brothers and sisters, time is not to segregate between Shias and Sunnis,please tyr to be rational and just peer that Dr,Israr ahmed had not make his statement arbitrary rather he had cited IBN_e_Kacer’s Tafseer which in its core,had always been one of the authentic source to interpret Quran and Hadith,so besides this to blame Dr,Israr Ahmed one must have to conduct proper research for evaluating that illusions cited by Dr.Israr Ahmed in support of his statement.and no doubt he is one of the greatest islamic erudite and orater, and sound scholar but he mentioned only what has been mentioned by our great predecesors like IBne Kacer etc.And above all,i persoanly beleive that a true muslim must possess his/her utmost love and affiliation with Propher(PBUH) and all his family and companions without any discriminity,thats the basic stipulation of being a Muslim.May Allah showed us right Path,
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Most of the ignorant and mischevious people are out to defame respected israr saab,what he said must be rite because quran revealed in 23 yrs so prohibition of liquor must not have come by then ,thats why the said incident happened ,israr saab need not apologise even.
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Tm logo ne Quran tu thek sa parha nahi kabhi.or itne bare Aalim ko bura bhala kehna suru kr diya.Hm log or tm (shia) kabhi ek nahi ho sakty hamari or tmhari Hadees ki kitabain hi alag hain na tm kabhi hamri rawayat ko mano gy na hm kabhi tmhari Hadeesoo ko manin gain is liya ek hone ki baat tu sab sa pehly khatam kar doo.or dosri baat Dr.Israr ne ref diya tha.or unhoon ne koi shan me ghustakhi nahi ki thi jo kitaboo me tha wo bayan kiya tha.Lakin tm jo apni Mehfiloo me khalifa Awal doum or teesry khaleefa ki shaan me ghustaki karty ho or na hi tm logo ka pas us ka koi theek ref hai…….
yr ye sab baatain choro apne Aalim sa pouchna ka Quraan me saaf saaf hai ka Nabi ki azwaaj tmhari maain hain tu tm log tu Hazart Aysha(RAN) ki shaan me ghustaki karne sa baaz nahi aaty sirf is waja sa ka wo Hazart Abu Baker(RAN) ki beeti thi ya bolty hoo jaag e jamal ki waja hai us ka peechy…jao pehly ja kr theek taarikh parhoo……
Ek hone ki baat jarty hoon pehly apne Gireban me jhankoo….
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yaar asad bhot badi baat kargaye waise islamic studies mey tum ney kya kya padha hai aur jo quran ki tum baat karraihe ho tou kya yeh koi college ki book hai ki tum isko samjh logey jab key college key syllabus bagair ustad key tum nai samjh sakte tou phir khuran ko kaisey samjhogey.
isliye Paighambar S.A.W ney kaha ki mai tum mey do cheezen chode ja rahan hoon ek kitab aur dusrey itrat ab agr itrat ko chod key quran idhar udhar sey samjhey tou yehi nikalta ki zaban uthao aur taraq ko lagdo apna kya jata.
aur Ali A.S key barey mey tou 4 sunni imamon key ek bade imam ney yeh kaha ki shafai martey margaya yeh nahi samjh paya ki Ali Allah hai ya Allah Ali Hai issay yeh baat matlena ki mai Ali ko allah bata raha hoom mai manzilate Ali bata raha hoon ki jis per khuda ka dhoka ho aisa banda aur uskey barey mey aap key Israr sahab.
Meri baat aur bhi saaf hogai tum khuran key lafzi mano mey jarahe ho jo azwaj ka zikr hua woh azwaj sey murad jo khair per rahin hamesha aur kaun khair per raha kaun nahi yeh aap tahqeeq karen yeh mat sonchoki shia bura kyun boltey balkey yeh soncho ki tum jiski taeed karrahe ho kya sahi hai ya ghalat hai. dekho yaar ek usool tou hai ki bina aag key dhuaan nahi uthta jab hum shia Rasool key baad ahlebaith ko mantey hai tou phir Ayesha ko bura kahney ki wajah ek sonchne ka point deraon umme salma ko bura nai bolte janabe khdija ko bura nai boltey hum log jab inko bura kahte hai tou aap tahqeeq kariye ki wajah kya hai.
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Assalamo alaikum
Narrated Abu Dhar: That he heard the Prophet saying,
“if somebody accuses another of Fusuq (by calling him ‘Fasiq’ i.e. a wicked person) or accuses him of Kufr, such an accusation will revert to him (i.e. the accuser) if his companion (the accused) is innocent.”
(Sahi Bukhari : Book #73, Hadith #71)
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Narrated Thabit bin Ad-Dahhak: (who was one of the companions who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet underneath the tree (Al-Hudaibiya)) Allah’s Apostle said,
……And if somebody curses a believer, then his sin will be as if he murdered him; And whoever accuses a believer of Kufr (disbelief), then it is as if he killed him.”
Assalamo alaikum
(Sahi Bukhari :Book #73, Hadith #73)
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i will say that opposing of dr,israr ahmed is not right you should confirm it first then say anything
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3rd May 2009
AOA:
I see that none of the Muslim sects of these days are on right path. Particularly some of the famous Ulema-e-Deen, because of their vast knowledge, have gone astray.
May Allah save them from being deviated!!
I, being an Ummati of SAW, can never utter any wrong to any Islamic Scholar. My duty is to act upon what is quite correct from Quraan and Hadith.
Wama Taufiquee Illa Billah!!
Your brother in Islam
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u shia such a discusting and such a big mistake of ur mothers and fathers
how could u say that about dr.israr he is a man of honour
u non sence people i know u all shia a big liers a drinkers a gamblers dunya jahan k ganday napak log aik pak saaf scholar k baray main kuch ganda kahnay say pahle apnay giraban main jhank k dakho ho kia tum log main tum main say nahi hoon is leya i can believe on u in any cost ……..
who doctor israr ahmed jin ke baatoon say mujhay pata chala k dein kia hai kia galat kia sahi yah sab ham bachpan say jantay hain nahi jantay to deen ke barekyun ko jo yah sab janta hai hamain batata ha who koie galat bayan da he nahi sakta ……..
he is like my father
i can bear any thing against him so dont u sia nonsence dear to say any thing rong about him
tum logon ko acha nahi lagta ha na k koie dein ka paigham agay barhaee koie itna naik sunnih aik naik scholar jo tablegh karta ha tum usko to bura kaho gay he na magar yah maat samjhlana k tum kaho gay or sab manlain gay
tum kuch nahi hoo samjh gaya ab tum now go to hell
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Tumhe Pata hai tumhare Beloved Dr Israar Ke Bare mein Latest Chat Patti Karaari Gossip.
Is dafa jo Hajj Hua tha wahan par Bolly Wood ki Actress (Double K) bhi Pohnchi hui thi. Us ka Israar ke saath bohot arse se affair chal raha tha aur wo usi ke paison se Hajj par gai thi is Dafaa. Better beleive is because it is true. Besides there is a pschycollogical problemn with her i.e. she has a prefference for much older men therfore stupid guys like Israar.
Well you also said that he is like your father then in that case would you give him liberties to do with you as he pleases. the truth of the matter is he is just nothing but the worst & Trashiest Kind of Dangerous stranger. No different from those who facilitata in hooking others to dangerous substances. By the way would you allow him to abuse you?
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first of all the language you are using shows your charecter coz if you have any knowledge of history of islam just look into it where Rasool S.A.W clearly says that no body will love Ali A.S except one whose blood is pure. under this light you check yourself before saying shias are mistake of their parents.
And as far Dr israr is concerned i can get a picture of his charecter coz whose follower dont have the manners how to talk in arabic called ilme kalam then i can clearly get the charecter of israr i am not using Dr.
badi khushiki baat hai key aap ko aise din ka pata chala jahan jhoot jhoot aur sirf jhoot hai.
Agar achi orating ko tum din samjh rahi ho tou siasatdaan aur bhi ache orator hotey hain unkey barey mey kya khyal hai.
wasie mey yeh sirf isliye likh raha hoon ki aap key mesg sey aisa lagta hai ki aap ko Rasool say nahi Israr sey ishq hai.
dekhiye mohtarama ek baat aapkey mesg sey saaf jhalak rahi hai ki agar chor ko chor kaho tou bahot bura lagta hai aisa hi kuch haal aapka lagraha hai.
agar aap waqai isper sahi guftugu karney ka irada rakhti hain tou yeh baat chodiya ki shia kya karte aur kabhi bhi ye dhayan rakhiye ki guftugu healty hona chahiye istarah ki gambling karte sharab peetey yeh bolney ka aap ko kya haq hai, aur jis matter per baat hori ussey iska kya lena dena hai sahi ghalat tou baad ki baat hai.
tou ms/mrs first of all lahja sahi karen aur kuch likhna hai tou likhiye
wasie mai email bhi de raha hoon
shabi_aan@yahoo.co.in
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Dear ehle tashee bhaiyo!
Hazarat Ali hum sab ke lye kabile ehtram hain balke tamam sahaba karam hamare lye kabile ehtram hain aur aap ko sab ka ehtram karna chahye. jahan tak Dr. Israr Ahmed sahab ki statement ka sawal hai to wo waqya sharab ki hurmat se pehle ka hai aur aap ko ye maloom hona chahye ke sirf prophits hi masoom the jinse koi gunah nahi huwa aur Hazrat Ali Razi Allah tala Anho nabi nahi the aur ho sakta hai unse ye gunnah sarzad ho gaya ho halanke hum isko gunnah nahi samjhte kynke ye waqya sharab hi hurmat se pehle ka hai.
agar aap log muslman hain to islam ke mutabik chalen. aur ye jo poster per khadri khatoon hain. is ke bare me sochen ke kya ye theek baat hai.
Dr. Israr Ahmed sahab ka gunnah shayad ye hai ke wo quran ke bataye raste per chal rahe hain jo rasta aap logon ne chor dya hai aur gumrah ho gaye hain.
Allah app ko hadayat de
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salam to all….
according to history dr israr ahmed ne bilkol sahi bola hai… islam se phlay sab hee woo kam kartay thay joo islam kay baad mana howiay …. es may kisi ki guztakhi kha se agayee?
dr sahab ne ref. kay sath baat ki thee…. or wazahat bhi kardi hai…baat ka toor moor kar paish kia gaya ha shio ki taruf se….. ya khud kitna mantay hai Ali r.a. ko ? kia kia in ki kitabo may likha hai ali r.a. kay baray may …. zaban biyan nahi kar sakhti ….
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this is not the way to blame a really able and respected scholar.he has dare to talk what is truth.no matter what consequences will be? and I m sure he has not quoted the wrong hadith or refrence because he is a relaible scholar.the people who are angry on Dr.Israr Ahmed are because of two reasons. 1.they are ahle tashaee 2.they dont want to listen any bad thing about the great person hazrat Ali (r.a.a). I m also shia but I have no objection on his statement because I know that he is an authentic person.so be careful in ur behavior against a respected scholar.by doing that u are making a biggest sin.
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Mr the name does not suit you and you dont tell yourself shia coz we the shias are one whose Imam is masoom and we dont agree with israr ahmed whose statement is a bundel of false.
and it looks as if you have covert yourself under the blanket of shia so why you are saying yourself shia go straight tell you are sunni and have debate no matter everybody has te right to express and you can post your comment by hiding you identity.
and we are here to counter your comments so post your views systematic may be mr israr is a scholar in your opinion we dont take him as scholar and we are protesting agaist his comments on our Imam A.S.
and if you think that what he says is correct come up with concrete explaination and stop talking childish.
I am sure you are not a shia so plz dont use this here after and carrry on debate till you get the right path then u tell yourself shia any way it is not easy to be a shia.
Ali ko chahney key liye khun ki taharat zaroori hai Hadise Rasool S.A.W hai mera kahna nai hai
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Let Dr. Israr, he is highly foolish and Taliban,
Let speak about Hazrat Ali (A.s.)
The world is exist becuse of Ali, Ali was ever, Ali is ever and Ali will be ever.
Ali can destroy this world within a minutes and Ali can make this world within a minutes
HAQ ALI, HAQ ALI, YA ALI YA ALI
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shia salay jo moon mein ata ha baktay hain yeh khud jab doosray sahaba karam ko galian detay hain jab to in key khilaf koi awaz nahi uthata aur dr israr ahmed sahab ney to ik waqai beyan kiya hai wo bhi sharab ki hurmat sey pehla ka to is per yeh kutay itna uchal rai hain
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guys thats our problem
we cant bear anybody who disagree with us. If Dr. Israr said something with reference (whcih he apoligised later) we shud debate him (with respect as he much older and respectable than at least myself). if he has said something, that doesnt mean that he has become murtid. he is more knowledgable than any of us here. wht we can do is, we can disagree but dont lose rescpect. difference of opinion shud be encouraged only then we can have better ideas and progress.
and please dont get abusive on the forum
regards
jk
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Our duty is to defend Islam not the individual personalities. Every person here writing his own Amaal.
Those who Opposed hereDr israr’s statement against Hazrat Ali, infact defending Islam and Holy Quran.
“And stay in your houses and do not display your finery like the displaying of the ignorance of yore; and keep up prayer, and pay the poor-rate, and obey Allah and His Messenger. Allah only desires to keep away the uncleanness from you, O People of the House (Ahlul’bayt)! and to purify you a thorough purification.” (33:33)
2) Those here Defendinf Dr Israr , defending this personality only not the islam and at the same time challenging Holy Quran(verse 33:33(.
ws
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Hi;
I am not a belong to Shia sect, but i am totally against Dr.Israr, who is layman and holding a little knowledge about Islam all you know well that a little knowledge is very very dangerous.
Hazrat Ali (A.S) who served his whole life for the Islam, with unmatched leadership during HIS whole like. How a layman dr. isarar comment on HIS LIFE. what are the realities and facts. Hazrat Ali (A.S) who served HIS whole life with PROPHET (PBUH). WO MOHAMMAD JO KHUDA KA NOOR HAY, HAQ HAY, HAMEESHA KAY LIYA HAY,
Mohammad (pbuh) kar Farman Sonow:
“May Ilum ka Shar Hoo oor ALI ous ka darwaza hay.
ALI haq hay barhaq hay
“Oh Ali awal bee tum aakhair bee tum, zahir beet tum, batin bee tum, Khuda ka noor bee tum”
Think your own mind do not look to dr. Israr.
Bye
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Best reply by Mr Jamal Khan.
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Assalamalaikum, May Allah bring you all people on right path
Dr. Israr Ahmed never abused Ali (RA) infact he is stating one of the rivayaats giving reference to Hadith from different scholars, Being a rational shia muslim, and a logical person i should tell to all those people who has spent so much time in writing against Dr. Israr they should spend some time to turn pages of Quran and read Sura Nisa and related hadith. The guy writing (Lanat Allah) against Dr. Israr Let me tell you if you spit on moon it falls back to you on your face.
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Hey Dear r u Shia or any loyal agent of Dr Israar Ahmad
Any voice raise against Hazrat Ali (A.S) or any body spells any word against him cannot be left unpunished.
So all Muslim Community members who think they are on Imaan and wants that there Imaan survives should loudly say Lanat on Israar the parasite and Zakir the blood sucking bug.
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Assalam o Allakum.
We need no enemies.We will kill ourselves fighting like this.I never read Prophet taking revenge for personal reasons.I never read any of companions casting aspersions onto any one.Our religion teaches us peace unity and forgivenesss.Hazrat Ali R.A spared the life of a jew who spate on his face shortly before Shere Khuda was about to Kill him-because he could not kill any one for personal reasons.Our Prophet forgave the murderers of his dearest uncle. I am sure if Yazid would have been under the sword of Hazrat Imam Hussain R.A. and asked for forgiveness ,he would have been pardoned.If we love Prophet,his copmanions,his family we must love their virtues-patience and forgiveness.Humanity is not caught up in a war amongst Muslims and non muslims,Sunnis and Shias its a War of Satan against Allah.I dont want to comment who is wrong and who is right but I know Satan must be dancing with joy.How easily he suceeds in making us fight,
Oh Allah. only you can save us from satan. Please save us all from him and set us all on right path Ameen.
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Jazakkallah——
Nice reply!!!!
Frnds dnt support any single individual……also dnt be blind in an individual’s love.
If u have a little bit imaan……thn luv blindly only ALLAH & follow blindly Rasool-e-Paak-Imaam-u-l-Ambiah, Janab Muhammed(Sallahu-alahi-wasaalam) & fight 4 ALLAH against Satan.
May Almighty show us the right path!!!!!
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Salamun aleykum jamian
Dr Israr Ahmad’s quote on Hazrat Ali(A.S) was baseless and those points were just culminated from the satanic mind.If peoples like Israar Ahmad and Zakir Naik are there in the society they only spread hatred amongst Muslims.
So it’s my request to aal Muslim brothers plz do not listen to any speeches of Israar and Zakir they r just parasites of the community sucking blood of others they should be banned.I don’t wy peoples are calmly listening these rubbish speeches against Prophet Muhammad (SAW) and Hazrat Ali(A.S.) ,peoples should unite and raise voice against these creatures .
Akhiro wa dawana alhamdo lillaahe rabbil alemeen
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kaise log hai jo kehte hai Israar ko kuch na kaho wo maze se keh sakta hai jo chahe aur ham apna ehtejaaj bhi nahi kar sakte aur usne unke bare me kaha hai jo Imaame awaal hai jo fatehe badr o hunain hai jo mushkil kusha hai jo massom hai aur massom se ghalti ka imkaan nahi ho sakta to unke bare me is tarah ke khayalaat agar Israar ke mann me hai to wo ek number ka shraab khor aur zina khor hai
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I think its high time both Shia’s and Sunnis resolve their disputes whatsoever and work towards creating peace and harmony among muslim ummah. Silly fights like this will just lead to enemity and hatred. Just the other day,I was discussing this issue with my sunni friend and I told her what if I fight with her regarding Ali’s (r.a) insults by this hadith.and by Dr. Israr .then she simply told me ..We sunnis never fight back regarding issues like this..because if we were to fight then this fight would have started long back when the shia’ sect was created during the time of Ali. We would have also fought for every single insults and irrespectful ways that the shias have used for all the great companions of the prophet. Show me one instance where a sunni muslim protested or cursed shia’s for insulting Abu bakr, Umar or Uthman..Never!!..We never curse like this. Its because we always have been patient as shias are muslims too and whatever wrong is done on both our parts ..Allah.s.a.w is always a witness to it and will judge us accordingly…I was just speechless because of her statement..May Allah guide us all.
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Go read your own saheeh bukhari and sahih muslim…Abu bakr doubted the prophethood of our prophet. Umer always doubted the prophethood but never as much as he did on Hudaibiya….it is in the saheehs.. Othman was one criminal despot.
You cell these three khulafa a rashideen….you are being blasphemous to Allah.
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Aslam u alikum:
Dear people i’ve read all the comments given on a statement of Dr. Israr Ahmed. But I m realy sorry for all our thinkings.
Coz first of all we all have to take care of ourselves, from last 12 months v r debating about Dr. Israr bt excluding some of ours i m sure v’ve not fulfil our own Islamic duties v r not offering our prayers without diff. of shia and sunni is it right? I think v’ve no right to debate on Hazrat Ali, Hazrat Umar and All Sahaba e karam. v have to jst respect them all without difference of anyone.
when v’ll do right on our end then v’ll be able to comment to our Schaulars that wt they r saying and why?
So Plz try to be display yourself as a Good Muslim nor A Shia or A Sunni.
Pray to Allah for our Unity and and the Habit of Forgiveness. Like Hazrat Ali, Hazrat umar, and all other Sahaba. Wish u all Best of Luck.
I’ll request u all to offer u’r Prayers regularly till date and pray for us also.
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Peace of Allah be on Hazrat Ali ibne Abi Talib (as) as he is the only great personality who was born in ALLAH,S House (Kaaba) and shahadat also in ALLAH,S House (martyred in Masjide Kooofa in sajda of Namaz) which is the fazilat only he had among Muslim ummat .He is the Amirul Momineen and nobody is a match for him in terms of Taqwa, Ilm, Shujat, Sakhawat, Ibadat, balaghat…
His name is Ali which is name of Allah(swt) and no body can dare to oppose Hazrat Ali (as) or defame him .
If any body does jurat of opposing Ali (as) , he has given dawat to wrath of ALLAH (swt) and deserves same punishment which ALLAH (swt) gave to Haris bin Noman when he opposed Hazrat Ali (as) as mentioned in Qoran
in Surae Ma’arij ayat no 1 which starts as
” Saala saelun be azabin waqey.”
ALLAH (swt) has infact created Jehannum (Hell) for
enemies of Hazrat Ali (as) , so if Mr Israr wants to drink from Hauze Kausar, he must love Ali (as) and do zikr of Ali (as) by heart & tongue and also love his childrens Hazrat Hasan & Hazrat Husain (as) who are youths of paradise and instead of defaming Hazrat Ali (as) say fazail of Hazrat Ali (as) and give zeenat to his mehfil and prove himself to be a real muslim and true moballigh.
Allah’s Rasool (saw) has truly said , “Aliyun ma’al haqqun wal haqqun ma’al Ali .”
So, this is truth and Mr Israr, come on path of truth and leave path of Zaaalien.Hope this is enough for the truth is now manifested to you and is as clear as daylight .
Allah (swt) helps those who search for truth and clings to it .
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Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (s.a.w) said, “If all the trees becomes pens & all the water of rivers become inks , they could not count the ranks / fazilat of Hazrat Ali ibn e Abi Talib (a.s)
The Prophet (s) said, “Love for Ali (as) is faith, and hatred for Ali (as) is hypocrisy.
The Prophet (s) said, “Love for Ali (a) is a good deed, so don’t ruin it with bad deeds.” Al-Tabarani; Yanabi^ Al-Mawda, 2/3.
The Prophet (s) said, “Ali (a) holds the position of the Kaaba.” (Mustadrak Al-Sahihain)
The Prophet (s) said, “The first people to enter Paradise will be Ali and Fatima.”(as)
Rasool Allah (saw) said to Hazrat Ali (as) “O Ali , The Person who died & hate you is like he died as Jews or Christian .”
Hazrat Muhammad Mustafa (saw) said ” If all the peoples are gathered with the love of Hazrat Ali ibn e Abi Talib (as) , Allah Subhanahu Taa la would not had created Hell.
Love of Ali Ibn e Abi Talib (as) eat sin’s (gunnah) as fire eat woods .
Holy Prophet Hazrat Muhammad (saw)said , “O Ali ! if a person does Ibadat of Allah Tal’ ah as Hazrat Noah (as) lived in his peoples / nations & he has gold near about Mountain of Uhad & he spends in the way of Allah (swt) & & he does 1000 Hajj on foot & he dies mazloom shaheed between Safa & Marwa but O Ali ! if he does not have friendship/ your love in his heart & have hatred for you,
he will not smell scent of Paradise & nor he enters in it & in this situation meets Allah Tal’ ah , then Allah subhanahu Tal’ah will throw him in hell by the nose .
Holy Prophet (saw) said: “I and Ali are of one and the same light.”(Noor).
“O’ Ali thy flesh: is my flesh and thy blood is my blood”.
“O Ali! Thou art to me, as is a head to a body”.
“O Ali! Thou art to me, as is a soul to a body”.
The Messenger of Allah said to Hazrat Ali (as): “Protect yourself from your enemies who have a hatred in their hearts. Those who hate you, Allah (swt) has cursed such individuals”. Reference: Yanabi al Muwaddah p 135.
“Whoever wishes to see Adam in his knowledge, Noah in his piety, Abraham in his forbearance, Moses in his strength, and Jesus in his worship and devotion should look at Ali ibn Abi Talib.”(as).
Holy Prophet Mohammad Mustafa (saw) said “I am the chief of the Prophets and Ali ibn Abi Talib is the chief of Successors, and after me my successors shall be twelve, the first of them being Ali ibn Abi Talib(as) and the last of them being Al Mahdi.” (atfs)
“There will be twelve upright Imams for this nation. Those who try to disgrace them will not succeed; all of them shall be from the Quraysh.”
The person who reads the book where ranks / fazilat of Hazrat Ali (a.s) is written Allah Subhanahu Tal’ah will forgave his all sin’s Inshallah.
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Dear Friends Salam. Iam a shaia Muslim and on behaf of all shaia community i appologise our suni brothers , for saying wrong Abt Dr Israr Ahmed . in my view Dr israr has not said anything wrong , he had jusst quoted hadees, i have listned his lecturer and beleave me the respect he has for all the four khulfai rashdeen especially for Ali(ra) no shai on earth today has that much respect. Iam really ashamed of my shai community and just want to tell them who have opened such wbsites close them down and stop writing such abusue language abt islamic scholars if we have learned scholars in shai community let the debate on this on the same TV channel . Islamic brotherhood can not be acheived untill Shai community comes out of jahalat.
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All of you are stupid and I am basing it on your statements coming out of your 21st century minds.
This daur is the daur of Inhitat of Muslims. Our beliefs and sensibilities have been heavily influenced by wrong philosophies so much so when an original and true message is brought to us, we BALK OFF and start blaming the source.
You guys are so pathetic that instead of patiently thinking about what Dr. Israr said, you went against him.
HE HAS NOT DONE ANYTHING WRONG by merely stating a hadiths who he has NOT written. So, if you want to show your anger, show it to the narrator.
You guys are so misguided that instead of correcting yourself, you start questioning these great leaders of Islam who were MUCH and MUCH MORE PIOUS than your filthy selves. You guys are almost 2000 years away from Prophet. How can you claim that your understanding of Islam is NOT TAINTED by local cultures and other innovation in religion?
What is wrong with that Hadiths? Just because it shows Hazrat Ali drinking doesn’t mean that Hazrat Ali was not pious. Why? because muslims used to drink before it was prohibited. Just think with your rotten minds, Islam forbade things SLOWLY (in stages). There was a time when women were not observing purdah. Then purdah was enforced. There was a time when brothers married sisters and mothers (astaghfirullah). There was a time when people used to bury their baby girls alive. Hazrat Umar himself did it. All these sahabas were part of that pre-Islamic culture and engaged in it.
Allah(swt) then prohibited them slowly. After such prohibitions, they never went back to the wrong.
I request you not to make the mistakes of yahoodis who rejected Prophet Muhammed(pbuh) because they thought the Messiah will be from the children of Isreal from Hazrat Ishaq.
You guys are making the SAME mistake.
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hello asher now u learn to us that we are mistaking oh MR u know Dr israr said wrong Statement and he must punish on this statement because he is motherfucker and said some wrong and we cant bear these words he said on his speech 2008 and u know our government could not take any action against Dr israr if he is IRAN then he will punish of untill death we will always protest against this son of bitch DR ISRAR
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your(shia) and our love to hazrat Ali is same like christian love to jesus and our love to jesus. We consider hazrat ali (r.a) as a pious sahaba who played a important role for the spread of islam and was chosen by Allah along with other sahaba to help prophet(peace be upon him).
you know what is one more achievement for the ummat of Mohammad(p.b.u.h)? It is that Allah has bestowed upon us such companions (r.a) along with the prophet mohammad(p.b.u.h) that were not there along with any other prophet. these companion were there for many purpose.
but before that please note that no companion who were there with the prophet(p.b.u.h) before the arrival of wahi were not taught islam. it was our prophet was forward them the msg of islam and these companion(be it Hazrat ali, hazrat abu bakar , bibi kadija) who were the first one to accept islam and then more and more companion came. now during this process many sahaba asked many question to understand islam and prophet (p.b.u.h) replied them and during this process many companions made mistakes, now that is the best part for which i am thankful to Allah. Becuase had these companions not made mistake our prophet (p.b.u.h) would not have corrected them and told them the other better alternative and then we the muslim ummah would not have learned about it. i hope you people are getting me.
for example there were many people who made a mistake and asked a question and their reply was sent directly by Allah. That is Allah honoured them with an ayat which is a big blessing.
so you should be thankful to Allah for blessings us with such pious companions(r.a.) who made mistake and Allah and his prophet corrected them for the betterment of all the mankind that has come since 1500 years and which will be coming till eternity.
has the companion would not have asked questions or would not have mistakes, Allah and his prophet(peace be upon would not have corrected them and we would have been stuck with big mistakes through out our lives.
i hope you people my point. rest Allah is best to guide and best to protect.
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Respected Muhammad, Thanks for this post. First we do one big mistake when we discuss on islamic matters, by callink Muslims , shia or Sunni. We all are Muslims as we accepted what holy prophet(s.a.w) said.
Second i personally do not support your comparison of shia belief VS Jesus. There is a small disfference that shia accepted declaration of Holy prophet(s.a.w) and ghadeer e khum(18th of Dhu al-Hijjah of 10 AH ) and as a result considered Hazrat ali(a.s), their first Khalifa and Imam. Ahla e sunnat have dispute on declaration of ghadeer e khums and so many versions with so many meaning popular among them but summary of all is Holy prophet(s.a.w) never declared anybody his vasi, his hirer and as a result they accepted abubakr their first khalifa. you can read about ghadeer from these websites.
http://www.al-islam.org/ghadir/incident.htm and ahla e sunnat source http://www.minhajbooks.com/english/bookid/248/The%20Ghadir%20Declaration.html
It is also not cleared from your post who accepted Islam first. Janabe Khadija, hazrat abubaker or Hazrat Ali(as.). How can you consider all the three first? The correct list is as per historians is.
The first of all his (Muhammad’s) converts was his wife, Khadija; the second his first cousin Ali, whom he had adopted; the third his servant Zeyd, a former slave. (Introduction to the Translation of Holy Qur’an, Lahore, Pakistan, 1975)
The fourth witness who accepted Islam, was Abu Bakr, a merchant of Makkah. In the beginning, Muhammad preached Islam secretly for fear of arousing the hostility of the idolaters. He invited only those people to Islam who were known to him personally. It is said that through the efforts of Abu Bakr, the fourth Muslim, a few other Makkans also accepted Islam. Among them were Uthman bin Affan, a futurekhalifa of the Muslims; Talha, Zubayr, Abdur Rahman bin Auf, Saad bin Abi Waqqas, and Obaidullah ibn al-Jarrah.
Dear Muhammad you can see first are the family members including one servent them friends of Holy prophet(s.a.w) accepted Islam and it is natural also.
I am thinking why you presented wrong detail and i can see just to place hazrat abubaker equal to hazrat Ali(a.s), which confirmed you are ready to speak lie just to degratde hazrat ali(a.s).
See i am giving more respect to hazrat abubaker by telling the truth. he was the first muslim from the friends of Holy prophet(s.a.w) who accepted islam.
Is there any place of lie is islam? so who is near to christianity and jesus version. Ofcource who tells lie.
http://www.fatmiya.net/2009/08/hazrat-alias-first-muslim-who-accepted.html
ws
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Unfortunately, the moderators deleted my very long response regarding this issue. I am a Sunni Muslim and I have a lot of respect for Shia brothers since the least I want is disunity among Muslims. But we as Muslims, need to think before we leap. Just because Dr. Israr said something which conflicts with your worldview, you don’t have to go to this extreme.
Dr. Israr only stated the hadiths. All our prophets and sahabas are innocent. The day Sahaba embraced Islam, all their previous sins were forgiven. If Hazrat Ali (ra) drank wine before prayers that does not lower his high stature since he did that before the prohibition so there is no sin on him. Islam did not outlaw everything in the first year. Remember Holy Quran was revealed over 23 years. As the sahaba received the injunctions they held fast to it till death. There was a time when Purdah was not farz when the verses were revealed, prophet’s wives immediately cut a piece of cloth and covered themselves. Also Hazrat Umar buried his baby girl alive as was the custom of pre-Islamic Arabia but when he became Muslim, he stopped doing that.
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Dear sher , no moderater delete any message. you can see here your both message. This type of doubt is also not allowed in islam. second some muslims here defending Allah bu supporting Holy quran , some here defending israar laeen and fabricated hadith , which is rejected by majority of Muslim scholars. Those defend Allah , will get reward from Allah and those defending israar, must ask reward or getting reward from him only.
we are slave of Allah not the slave of any fabricated narrater or any israar.
Judge any hadith by Holy Quran is a simple rule given by Holy prophet(s.a.w)..follow it and follow the right path.
ws
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Dear Mohammed Masoom,
Dr. Israr Ahmed is a respectable man. We are required by Islam to deal with wisdom, patience and kindness. The point I was trying to make is that he quoted from Hadiths and Bukhari Hadiths is considered the most authentic. How can you reject that? There are many ahadiths that talk about how pre-Islamic Arab culture was by listing what these sahaba karam used to do. I am sure there are many references to it in shia books. Unfortunately, we Muslims of today have developed a warped understanding of Islam (often based on false sense of righteousness) and we staunchly believe in our interpretation. When something is presented to them from authentic ahadiths which conflicts with their “current” understanding of Islam, they tend to reject the Hadiths. God forbade, they could do the same with Holy Quran.
There are many Bukhari hadiths that I was not aware of and were shocking to me when I read them but I developed the understanding of looking at their culture wearing 7th century glasses not 21st century.
In that culture older men often married little girls as little as 9 years old. In modern Pakistan, it is unthinkable specially in the major cities. Now are you going to call those Ahadiths unauthentic too?
If you would then your stance is wrong because we, as fallible beings, can have wrong understanding. People of the bygone era were closer in time to Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) so they were not really off Islam. From that time to now, at least 1000 years have passed. Many things has happened in the house of Islam. Many sects have come into existence. People have adopted many customs that may not be part of Islam back then. If we look at our culture of subcontinent, Hinduism has influenced it heavily: from the red dress of the bride, to not doing the nikah at the Mosque etc.
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Dear Asher Fawad ,
Israr do not have basic knowledge of hadith. and he is trying to get cheap popularity by giving statement based of unreliable source.Dear i am sorry to say you also do not have knowledge what is written in bukhari. There is no hadith exist in bukhari which support israr’s statement.
Now i Quote some hadith from Bukhari and ask .do you have faith on bukhari.?
The Prophet said twice, “(O you people) Be cautious! Do not practice al-Wisal.” The people said to him, “But you practice al-Wisal?” The Prophet replied, “My Lord gives me food and drink during my sleep. Do that much of deeds which is within your ability.”
Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 3.188
Narrated Abu Said al-Khudri:
It is Allah’s wish to remove all blemish from you, O Ahlul-Bayt, and purify you with a perfect purification. (33:33) Holy Quran
“There shall be twelve Imams/Caliphs/Amirs for my nation”
Sunni references:
Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v9, Tradition #329;
and at last dear i have a big list of vulgar and foolish hadith from sahih bukhari also which i am not giving because i do not want to create dispute or hurt sentimets of any muslim.
In Majma’ al-Zawa’id and exegesis of Suyuti it has been quoted from Abu Said Khudri with a variation in words that:
For forty days the Holy Prophet approached the house of Fatimah Zahra every morning and used to say: ‘Peace be upon you O people of the House! The time for the prayers has come’. And thereafter he used to recite this verse: O people of the Prophet’s House…. And then said: ‘I am in a state of war with him who fights with you and am in a state of peace with him who is at peace with you’.
Sunni references:
Tafsir al-Durr al-Manthoor, by al-Hafidh al-Suyuti, v5, p199
Majma’ al-Zawa’id, by al-Haythami, v9, pp 121,168
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all muslim brotheren should adhere to some disciplinary standards and not post any type of vicious remarks against a handful of good people like dr.israr maulana tahir ul qadri zakir naik etc. it may happen some time that they people pronounce stray objectionable remarks, may be out of context. this should not be made an issue. infact we should help in finding a part of the solution and not ourselves become a part of the problem. we should be well read and good thinkers and have an analytic open mind to deal with such situations. ofcource we all are in search of truth and salvation so help eachother in this regard. throw away differences of sects. adhere to the basic teachings of the holy Qura’n and sunnah. Kaun sa Imam objectionable nahin raha ??????? Yeh sab hota hai bhai……
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Dear asif,
Aapne sahe keha Quran aur Sunna. Afsoos toh yeh hai na mani Quran aur na mana Sunna, ban gaye musalmaan.
Bhai asif dunia main jahil,gunahgaar,ghaltiyaan kerne wale imam(leader) ko follow kerna aam baat hai aur sab chalta hai.Islam main Allah is baat ki na toh ijazat deta hai aur na hi mauqa. Allah nae Quran bheji toh masoom Rasool Muhammad(s.a.w) bhee bheja jis sae ghalti nahin ka tasawwur bhee gunaah hai. Baad e rasool(s.a.w) Allah nae khalifa banae woh bhee aisae jinsae ghalti ka tasawwur bhee gunaah hai. aur history gawaah hai is baat ki .
It has been widely narrated that after the revelation of the purification verse of Quran (Ayah al-Tat’hir), the Messenger of Allah used to recited this verse at the door of the House of Fatimah and Ali before EVERY prayer when people were gathering to pray with the Messenger of Allah. He continued this practice for many months simply to show the people who his Ahlul-Bayt are. Anas Ibn Malik narrated:
The Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF), from the time the revelation of “Verily Allah intends to… (the last part of Verse 33:33)” and for six (6) months thereafter, stood by the door of the House of Fatimah and said: “Time for Prayer Ahlul-Bayt; No doubt! Allah wished to remove all abomination from you and make you pure and spotless.”
Sunni references:
Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v12, p85
Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v3, p258
Mustadrak, by al-Hakim
I think for true muslim followin Quran and sunna is must and now u will start to follow it.
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Dear Brothers and Sisters,
I agree with Mr. Asif Lone. I also respect the views of my brothers who disagree with me. I think this debate is really leading us to the age old conflict: Whether the position of Hazarat Umar (RA) was correct or Hazrat Ali(RA). There seems to be a disagreement between the two parties as the Bukhari Hadith suggest (whatever little I have read of it). Therefore, I want to refrain from further discussing this topic since I don’t have enough knowledge to give a final verdict. How can I when towering figures of Islam have not been able to resolve this? I am nothing.
I think we all stick to whatever interpretion our hearts are inclined to. I, being a Sunni, consider Sahih Bukhari as authentic. So, if something is mentioned there which seems a little awkward based on our understanding then it is our understanding that might have some deficiency but not the book.
I wish the best of luck to all of you and please forgive me if I have hurt your feelings.
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Dear Muslims,
As we know that we have not such information regarding all these khulfai Rasheedin then i will request all my brothers and sisters please do not discuss these issues becuase theay all gone and we have not right to say anything regarding these undisputable personalities of Islam.
Thanks
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Qorane e Kareem:
Innad Deena Indallahil Islam.
The most perfect religion accepted by Allah (swt) is Islam.When Allah (swt) has made Islam to be the acceptable religion , He has not left it laavaris at the mercy of ummat upto Qiyamat after Holy Prophet Mohammad Mustafa (saw) left this world.
As Allah’s action is not without wisdomy, He had ordered Holy Prophet (saw) to appoint his successor (Imam) in his lifetime who will inherit him in ILM, TAQWA, INFALLIBILITY(ie. Massom who never has even tassawwur of sins , committing sin is second thing…..)
So , after completing his last Hajj , Holy Prophet Mohammad Mustafa (saw)as per ayat of Qoran e Kareem( Yaaa Ayyohar Rasool Balligh bema unzela………..)
ie. Convey the message of appointment of your successor…
appointed Hazrat Ali ibne Abi Talib (as) Ummat’s Imam who was free from all defects . Hazrat Ali (as) is not like other khalifas who brought Islam later on.
His birth in Kaaba itself is an indication for those who posess little Aql , that it was will of ALLAH (swt) to make Kaaba an indication and landmark for all Muslims who go for HAJJ and Umra to realise that Hazrat Ali (as) who was born inside this Kaaba is the rightful & truthful successor appointed by Holy prophet himself in his lifetime and thereafter his 11 successor of whom Hazrat Imam Mehdi (as) is the 12th and last Imam from his offspring who will bring Peace and Justice in this world after it is full of oppression and tyranny which is promise of Allah (swt) in Qoran.
So let me convey the message to our Sunni Brothers to identify your Imam which was appointed by Allah (swt) himself because on the day of Judgement you will be raised with your Imams and all your Aaamal will be accepted if you follow the truthful Imam as per hadees of Holy Prophet that:
One who does not have marefat of his Imam and dies without knowing his Imam, dies the death of Ignorant. Imams are not elected or selected by shura or commitee as it is not our job to make Imam of Allah’s religion as in Qoran we see Hazrat Ibrahim (as) was also made Imam by Allah (sw) and when he asked Allah (swt) whether this position will remain in his zurriyat , Allah (swt) said this position is not for those who are zaalemein. So it is is the highest position among ummat and any ordinary or ignorant Muslim howsoever close to Holy prophet cannot claim this position . Imam is Masoom and does not seek knowledge from this material world but he inherits from Holy Prophet (saw) as Hazrat Ali (as) inherited and passed on to his sons Imam Hasan (as) and Imam Husain (as) and then 4th Imam upto the present Imam Hazrat Imam Mehdi (as) who is proof and Hujjat of ALLAH (swt) for his creators.
He is not only Imam of Human beings, but also of Jinns and all creations of Allah (swt) and even understands languages of animals, birds, insects and other creatures of Allah (swt)
So our Sunni Muslim brothers, awake and search for truthful Imam and his qualities .You will find that Hazrat Ali (as) was the rightful successor and fulfilled all the requirements to guide Ummat as per Qoran and sunnat.
And ignorant speakers or those like Dr Israr Ahmad who talk such absurd things about Hazrat Ali ibne Abi Talib (as)
must control their tongues and talk sense before uttering any false / slandering.
Every muslim who wants to be on truth , be with truthful and die on Religion of Allah (swt) must follow an Imam appointed only by Allah so that on the day of judgement he is not with the pseudo Imam who has falsely claimed this title because you will go only where your Imam goes.
Hazrat Ali (as) will be at Hauze Kausar and will clearly identify his lovers and followers .The one who loves him and his childrens and his offspring (upto 12th imam) will be happy and rejoicing and his enemies will taste the fire of Hell. So love Hazrat Ali (as) as Allah (swt) loves him and his lovers.
Shuaib Husain .
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Mr.Shuaib,
Eventhough our fitrah is on the religion of Islam (as conveyed by Allah(swt), but we human being have a tendency to go off the track.
We just have a wrong innate desire of hero worship. We get enamored by our Hero so much that we attach so much respect, miracles on him and continue to elevate him coming up with new ideas and interpretation. An outsider can easily see the hidden misguidance in the belief that Prophet Muhammed (pbuh) gave succession to Hazrat Ali. Now through the agency of Immamate, you have accorded the “infallible” status to all Imams who are simply imperfect mortal being. Even though, the status of infallibility suits more our Rabb, Allah(swt) who created this whole universe so perfectly.
Your Imams are to be obeyed the same way as our Nabi (SAWW). I am afraid I can not accord such blind allegiance to a man who is liable to make mistakes.
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Salaamun Alal Momeneen …
Baraye karam ek baat waazeh kare … Yaha baat Maloon Israr AHMAQ ki honi hai ya fir Shiyo ko Kaafiro ke Saamne Islam pesh karna hai ???
yaane tableegh karni hai …
ha bilkul karege kyu ke tableegh ka zimma to hamara hi hai .. 123 ne kab kithi jo yeh karege ..
nyways …
Ye itne saare saare ilzaamat ya fir tohmate Shiyo par hi kyu ???
Bahot se Aise sawaal hai ke jinka jawaaab Nasibiyo ko dena hai …
Maslan … Ali se hi bughzz kyu ?
Umar se hi muhabbat kyu ?
Rasul ki baato se hi inkaar kyu ?
Ali ke Waalid hi kaafir kyu ?
Waise Umar ke baap ka naam kya tha ?
Ibn Sumaiyya muawiyya ka kaun tha ?
Aur Sumaiyya Aur Abu jahl ke beech kya rishta tha ?
well aise 2000 sawaal aur ho sakte hai … lekin karne nahi .. kyu ke sawal talabe jawab hote hai … magar andhe ke saamne been bajane se kya fayda ..
Khayr Paaglo ka Dr Zakir Nalayak ya fir Khalnayak aur ab yeh AHMAQ .. Abu Jahl ki Nasl se chale aa rahe haina .. to ab inse aur kya expect kiya jaa sakta hai ?
Lanat Bhejo Shia Sunni Wahabi Nasibi Saare milke … Kyu ke Lanat ke baare me to Khud Allah (swt) ne kaha hai ke .. jo haqdaar hoga usi ke paas pohachjaegi … To bhayya Lanat bhejne me kanjusi kyu karte ho … Bhejo agar Doctorayn lanat ke mustahaq nahi to unhe nahi milegi aur jo hoga mustahaq uspe chali jaegi …
To Dr Israr Ahmaq Aur Dr Zakir Nalayak par Lanat Be Shumar … Aur Jo na Bheje Uspar bhi Lanat Beshumar ..
Acha aur rahi baat Ilmi Bahas karne ki .. To Darwaza Khula hai .. Magar tab ke jab behas baraye behas na ho .. Husoole Ilm k liye ho ..
Khuda Hafiz …
Ali Waris …
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Just cannot believe how much we are waiting our precious time on this useless debate over Tirmidi. Roll out peeps. Learn your deen and practice it. Please practice to be MUSLIMS NOT SUNNI & SHIAA.
SUNNI, SHIA, BARWELVI, DE IYOBUNDI, AHLE HADEES ETC ALL WILL GO TO HELL, THE ONLY JAMAT WILL GO TO HEAVEN WILL BE
***MUSLIMS*** SO BE IT.
WALIKUM ASSLAM WAREH MATULLAH
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With ALLAH’s praise WHO is most Beneficent most Merciful.Aslamo alikum.”REPLY TO MAULANA KARBALAYE.”quran MEN HY K AGR JAHILON SY SAMNA PARY TO salam KR K GUZAR JAO.TO MAULANA SAHIB AP BHT JAHIL SHAKHS HEN.AP K TO MON HI NAI LAGNA CHAHIYE.
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Jahloon, Shias, yeh jo aj tabahi hai Ali ki wajah say hai. Hazrat Usman kay qatl ki investigation ker laitay to aj yeh na hota jo hua.
Facts are facts
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Tahir saheb mujhae khushi hai ki aap wahid aisae insaan hain jisne Munafiq israr kae chehrae sae naqaab utaar di aur wajah bhee bata dee Ali(a.s) sae bughz ki.
yeh aur baat hai ki Islam Mohammad (s.a.w) ki sunnat ka nam hai na ki kisi tahior , israr jaisae kufaar aur jews kae himaytiyoon ka naam nahin.
Hazrat Ali(a.s) nae Islam ki her jung Rasool e Khuda (s.a.w) kae kehne pa un kufaar aur yahudioon kae khilaaf ladi, jinhoone islam ko nuqsaan pahunchana chaha. Aur natijae main bahut sae kufaar aur yahudi marae gaye. Un kuffaar kae maut ka badla lene kae liya muawwiya ,yazeed jaise laeen , hamesha bechain rahae. aur natija qatel e Ali (a.s) aur karbala huee.
Baat saaf hai, Islam kae dushman ka himayti yaqeenan Hazrat ali(a.s) ka dushman hoga.
waisae muslim koi bhee khalifa e rashedeen. First 4 khalifa kae khilaaf nahin boolta. kyoonki kufer ka fatwa sabhee muslim firqoon main maojood hai. Aaap kya hai?
ws
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hello tahir tum buhat galat keh gaye tabahi tum jaisay logon ki waja say hai DR ISRAR pe lanat bhejo bus lanat lanat lanat aur DR ZAKIR NAIK pe bhe woh be bharway ka bacha kuch galat bol gaya hai
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Asalam walikum, janab hazart ali r.a dr israr ahmed k liye bhi itne hi motabar or kabil e takreem hai jitne app logo k liye hai. or ye baat sab jante hai k sharab k hurmat ka hukam baad main aaya tha to iss main masla kiya hai agar koi aasa fail unki ya kissi or shahbhi rasool ki taraf mansoob kiya jaye to baad main mana kardiya gaya ho. as a nutrial person mujhe to iss main kahi be aadbhi nahi dekhti sorry agar bura laga to
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Hey All
Asalam -ul -alaikum
I have a question about Hazrat Imam Hussain (RA), can anybody tell me ,
I Have heard that water supply to the camp of Hazrat was stopped on 2nd or 7th Muharram then how did they offer namaz without water ? how did they do wadhu ? was it by tayammum ? can anyone tell how did Imam do Wudu in Karbala ?
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Junaid,
Why is it so important to know how they performed the Wudu? Simple answer is given in our traditon: if there is no water available, use clean sand to perform tyammum.
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I think you all better go back and read the references from Shia scriptures. Wine was not prohibited before so anyone who takes it will not be considered bad. But now it is haram so its bad. Hazrat Ali (R.A) is one of our greatest khalifah but he is neither nabi nor rasool so there is no need to get so much hyper on getting such information. Only nabi is masoom. If we call Hazrat Ali (R.A) as mola, waris or mushkil kusha then it will be like insulting him as these attributes belong to only Almighty Allah. No human can match Almighty Allah.
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A/Salam
I have read in a sunni authentic book of ahadees ( i dont remember the name of book whether Sahih Muslim Sharief or anyone else, but am sure about it ) that :
Prophet Muhammad ( SAW ) has said ” Min Kunto Moula Fa Ida Ya Ali Moula ” meaning -Those people who Consider me (SAW ) as their Moula should no doubt consider Hazrat Ali ( KW ) as their Moula in simple words Whoever accepts ME ( Saw ) as master, Ali is his master too.
A famous poem written by Hazrat Amir Khusrau ( RH ) disciple of Hazrat Nizammudin Auliya ( RH ) Called as Manqabat justifies it :
Shah-E-Mardaan, Shair-E-Yazdaan,
Qoowwat-E-Parwardigaar,
La Fata illa Ali,
La Saif illa Zulfiqaar
Man Kunto Maula
Fa haza Ali-un Maula
Dara Dil E Dara Dil E Dar E Dani
Hum Tum Tanana Nana, Tana Nana Ray
Om Tum Tanana Nana, Tana Nana Ray
Yalali Yalali ala, Yala Ray
Tanana Tanana Tanana Tanana
Tum Tanana Nana, Tana Nana Ray.
Maula Ali Maula
Maula Ali Maula
Ali Shaah-e MardaaN, Imaam-ul-Kabiira
ke ba’d az Nabii shud Bashiir-un-Naziira
yeh sochna hi abass hae
Kaha haha hae Ali?
Jaha jaha hae haqiqat, uha uha hae Ali
Idhar hae Zaat e Muhammad
Udhar hae Zaat e Khuda
Inhi lateef hijabon key dermayan hai Ali Maula,
Maula Ali Maula Maula Ali Maula, Maula Ali Maula
Her Qalb Ali, Jism Ali, Jaan Ali Hai
Mujh BeSar-O-Samaan Ka Samaan Ali Hai
Imaan keh matalashi yehi imaan keh doon
Iman To Yeh Hai Mera Imaan Ali Hai
Ali Maula, Maula Ali Maula
Maula Ali Maula, Maula Ali Maula
King of the brave, the Lion of God
The Strength for The Lord,
There is none like Ali,
There is no sword like Zulfiqaar
Whoever I am master to,
Ali is his Master too.
(Abstract Sufi Chants follows)
Enter into the heart,
Enter into the heart,
Melt therein, You and me
Sing inside in sweet melody.
Master is Ali,
Master is he
Ali is the king of men, the great spiritual leader,
Cause after the Prophet he became
the bearer of glad tidings and warner for mankind.*
This shall suffice if you realize
at which station is Ali.
Wheresoever inner reality to be found,
there will be found Ali.
There is the mystery of Muhammad,
Here is the mystery of Lord,
and my master Ali is behind these sweet veils.
In every heart is Ali, face is Ali, my life is in Ali
for this poor one, my only possession is Ali.
this I shall tell to the seeker of faith, behold!
my faith is this, that I have my master Ali
Maula Ali Maula, Maula Ali Maula.
Now about Dr.Israr or anyother scholar i dont hold the opinion that he has done a sin by stating that wat he has said about Hazrat Ali ( KW ), he has only quoted the information written in a book the main point/aim is he only wanted to convey that Alcohol is Haraam ( which is a truth ) eventhough many muslims today are indulged in the worst sins like Alcoholism , zina etc. etc. inspite of strict prohibition.
Nobody and No Book in this world is 100 % Perfect except that of Hazrat Muhammad (saw) and the Holy Quran.
Its not easy in this modern world with so much competition to stand up taking a mic and talking about Islam.So we must respect all the scholars to whatever sect they belong its only Theology/ideology which differs and the way people take it either positive or negative. Besides i am totally not in positive with the above photo of Dr.Israr , the protest according to me if done like this is Haraam .
We must not forget Dr.Israr’s other works plus his age and the white beard.
Thanks.
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You all are losers. Idiots!
Let us believe for a moment that Dr. Asrar Ahmad did pass a statement that is not very Islamic, is the way you protesting very Islamic?
You losers! Do you think Islam allows criticizing someone personally like this? Have you forgotten those lessons of humbleness and open-mindedness that The Prophet PBUH taught you?
This stupid post appears less of a protest more of a propaganda by jealous people.
Apart from this, can you please, dear protester, clear this point to us that why a Hindu yogi is standing upon the picture of Dr. Asrar? Did he love Hazrat Ali R. A. so much that he couldn’t bear?
Idiots! What a bunch of losers gathered together!
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SALAM and YA ALI MADAD dear shia brothers i protest against to Dr Israr ahmed jis nay bohat galat alfaz bolay thay aur humare government is kay khilaaf action lay takay yeh Dr israr bharway ka bacha dobra aisay alfaz kehnay ki jurat na karay
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How dare Dr israr Ahmed say some thing bad about Ameerul momineen Ali ibne abi talib (a.s), did he not read history did he not read Holy Quran , wht kinds of dame scholar he is, previously i had respect for him but i saw one of his program on Ashsura where he try to say bad about Hussein (AS) but commentator stop him but now he cross all limit, this sort of people are not Muslim they are just disciple of devil in disguise. We should cut him from Muslim society to protect true history and value of Islam.
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u r a looser…. first see his programs .. he is the best scholar…
i have heard that shia’s 10 parts of quran had eaten by a goat ??? is that true ???
look who’s talking…\
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i am already exhausted from your crap , if you have little self respect dont ever abuse anyone. that my advice which you must follow or if u dont am sure on the day of judgement you will burn in hell , you will be fed with meat of ibn maljam, yazid , ibn ziad , Hurmala and shumar. Leave our country.
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i am already exhausted from your crap , if you have little self respect dont ever abuse anyone. that my advice which you must follow or if u dont am sure on the day of judgement you will burn in hell , you will be fed with meat of ibn maljam, yazid , ibn ziad , Hurmala and shumar. shia gay you even opposed Prophet Loot ( AS ).
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i am already exhausted from your crap , if you have little self respect dont ever abuse anyone. that my advice which you must follow or if u dont am sure on the day of judgement you SHIA GAY will burn in hell , you will be fed with meat of ibn maljam, yazid , ibn ziad , Hurmala and shumar.
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i am already exhausted from your crap , if you have little self respect dont ever abuse anyone. that my advice which you must follow or if u dont am sure on the day of judgement you SHIA GAY will burn in hell , you will be fed with meat of ibn maljam, yazid , ibn ziad , Hurmala and shumar. YOU WILL DIE IN AGONY AND PAIN.
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hello u all…i am not muslim but i have nos of muslim friend working in brazil thats way i have some little knowledge about islami history and also i know that there r two muslim groups namely shia and suni (majority of muslims r suni).i just accidently visited this site and found realy intersting disccusion going on between shia and suni people.but there r no of things not clearing my mind.
1: only shia r abusing some person with the name omar. and i know that abu bakar, omar usman r the best friend of ur holly prophit(pbuh).if omar is not good person then why ur prophit kept him as his friend.
2:what is the meaning of “muala”…….can this only belongs to GOD…….
3:is there any link between shia and india.because why in this picture an indian worshiper standing on beared man i think he is dr.israr( the main point of disccusion)……..
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Dear Pater Brown,
If you send me a private email at farjaad2@yahoo.com, I will explain you the details.
Briefly, Shias believe that leadership of the Muslim community should have remained in the House of Prophet i.e. Imamate should have progressed dynastically. That is the political aspect of it which ONLY developed way later and gained grounds over a period of time.
Immediately, after the death of Holy Prophet Muhammed(saww i.e. pbuh in english) the difference of opinion arose on who was going to be the Khalifa: Hazrat Ali(pbuh) or anyone outside of Prophet’s family. Because of their close association and high devotion to Holy Prophet(pbuh) and loyalty towards his message of Islam, Abu Bakr was chosen by group A(later to be known as sunni). This group consisted of towering figures of Islam who were promised paradise in their lifetime i.e. Omar, Usman, etc. Omar had been a very strict apostle of Prophet(pbuh). He didn’t allow the division of Holy Prophet’s property to his daughter because according to him Prophet had given a certain property away for the benefit of the whole community. The family of Prophet (i.e. his cousin Ali(pbuh) and his wife Fatima who was Prophet’s daughter) objected to that and continued the claim for the long time.
So this Sunni and Shia division was only political in nature but overthe years the Party of Ali (literally called in Arabic as Shia) developed a distinct identity, beliefs and rituals. They all decided to hate the Rightly guided caliphs, Hazrat Aisha (wife of the prophet and daughter of Abu Bakr) and continue to believe that it is the Sunnis who had betrayed Muhammed(pbuh).
Sunni’s position had been more in synch with Islam. First of all it is the majority sect. Second of all the decisions taken by Abu Bakr, Omar and Usman had proven to be beneficial
to the community. If the leadership had stayed in the family of Prophet then today that family would have been worshipped and payed great homage to.
Most of the ideology of Shiaism doesn’t seem Islamic. They tend to follow those ahadiths that are weak and tend to follow a Quran which probably was derived from the false Quran in distribution at that time. You know the Jews of that time had created false Quran and distributed among the Muslims. Those Quran had to be burned.
The wrong concept of Shiasm is that they attach too much importance on Ali (pbuh) eventhough he was simply a cousin of Hazrat Muhammed(pbuh) albeit a staunch Muslim. He was NOT divine and never claimed to be but Shias ask for help from him instead of God.
Indian sub-continent has a strong presence of Shias. Historically they had occupied position of authority. Like Jews, they had control of the media (at one point) i.e. Majority of the poets were Shias. Shiasm also derives heavily from Hinduism and Zoroatrianism. The sub-sects within Shiasm tend to have very deviant beliefs i.e. Ismailis.
It is also known that modern Shiasm is based on the teaching of Abdullah-bin-Sabah who was a jew and had claimed to convert to Islam but his activities had been suspicious. He was the one who started the belief that the revelation was intended to Hazrat Ali(pbuh) but Angel Gabriel made a mistake and gave it to Muhammed(pbuh). Hazrat Ali (pbuh) ordered the guy and his associates to be killed.
It is refreshing to see an outsider’s perspective on this issue. I am sure you will find a lot of similarity between Shiaism Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Hinduism. I really want you to read about both of the sects and tell us what you think of both.
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Dear All,
Firstly any one can elaborate that that statement was self fabricated by Dr.Israr ? Or he quoted under reference ?
Secondly who is standing at the portrait of Dr.Israr ?
Is she muslim ? Never then how did you bought her sympathy with you Or Hazrat Ali (R.A). ?
Are all Sahaba e Karam (R.A) was innocent by born like prophets (A.S) ?
Instead of this you all rubbish people prove the authenticity of Unauthenticity of the Hadith you are writing so long statement enriched with your raw mind sluggish statements/ideas , So if you have problem then prove how this reference is wrong ?
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Dear All of the above,
You guys are here and commenting about people who hold significant religious and social values due to their untiring and dedicated efforts they have managed to earn. You on the other hand represent the educated tier of our society and yet I find it really insulting for us as a nation that we stoop such low just to prove our points.
Take an example and try looking out of your minds. You will see other than yourself you wont know much about your parents or siblings even. You dont know where they have being or what they have done or how they think and only assume about that. Try to embrace reality my friends. We have already lost alot of time and fallen much behind rest of the world. Intelligent people are capitalizing on our situation and earning benefits out of their vested interests.
The guy most of us blaming here Israr Ahmed wasnt trying to denounce Hazrat Ali (A.S), he was merely delivering some other idea for which this Hadith which he also quoted could become the best example to convey his idea. Drinks would be served even in heaven and what may you say to that. They were prohibited after the incident he quoted. We should let Allah SBWT be the judge of those who are much superior to us. On our part we can appreciate someone who out of us dedicated themselves to good causes. if we dont agree to them then we at the least should not individually judge anyone. Allah SBWT only knows the intentions but seemingly his werent wrong.
God speed.
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Sharm karo,Kauonn Gair Muslimo sao apni bai izzati karwatai ho.Kia tum log musliman kahlwanai kai haq mai ho?Aik wo jo Hazrat Abu bakar,Hazrat Omar,Hazrat Usman or others sahaba ki shan mai gustakian kar kai apna moon kala kartai hai or doosrai wo jo Hazrat Ali ki Shana mai bakwas kar kai apnai sir mai khaq daltai hai.Yai dono muslim kahalanai kai haqdar nahi in both ko to apnai name kai sath qadyani ya kafir likhna ho ga.
ALLAH Pak hum ko in 4aron Sahaba or othars sahaba ki izzat karnai ki tofeeq dai or in dono khabees groups sai ALLAH hum ko bachai.AMEEN
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Inna Lillah Wa Inna Elahi Rajioon
Dr. Israr Ahmed Passed away today.
(May Allah (swt) rest his soul in peace)
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Its a very sad news that Hazrat Israr Ahmed has passed away. Allah unko jannat-ul-firdous eta farmaye, unpar qabr ka azaab asaan ho , tammam ummat Rasool ko inke saath jannat-ul-firdous mai daakhil hooney ka tofeeq ata ho,Allahu Movsurul Islam wa Muslameen wa Dhalilil Kufr wa Kafereen Ameen. REALLY HE WAS A GREAT PERSON , I SALUTE Dr.ISRAR AHMED::- Lailaha Ilalah Muhammadur Rasool Allah.
If the author of this blog is reading, this is a humble request to stop the blog posts and stop any further comments.Allah Hafiz.
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The veteran religious scholar Dr. Israr Ahmed has passed away here at his residence early on Wednesday morning, Cnews news reported. According to family sources, he was suffering from back-pain and heart disorders for long time.
http://www.indianewstime.com/dr-israr-ahmed-died-dr-israr-ahmed-death-dr-israr-ahmed-passed-away-r23727.htm
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Salam,
As Dr Israr ahmad is now no more. i request all the visitors to close this thread and Pray Allah for Justice. Allah will decide now. Allah zalimoon ka saath kabhi nahin deta.
ws
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Assalam o Alaikum All Brothers and Sisters:
I would like to add few points, or you may say ask some thing;
1) Only the Messengers of Allah SWT are innocent and pak from any sin. No other person except Ambiya-e-Karam has been blessed with this quality.
2) Sole Authority and Supremecy rests with the Almighty Allah SWT.
3) As a Muslim, it is our duty, and we are obliged to respect all the Sahab-e-Kirams.
4) As far as Dr. Israr is concerned, he was a muslim, and we should pray for his afterlife. He was also a human and was not innocent like messengers. Mistakes can happen. Whatever he said is a long debate, but he apologized for it. And if you people think that apology is not sufficient because he disrespected Hazrat Ali .RA, then what punishment would you prefer to give to those who were using quite a bad language openly for rest of the 3 Khulfaye Rashdeen. Please think before you speak.
5) Hazrat Ali R.A ‘s daughter was married to Hazrat Umer Farooq R.A. SUBHANALLAH..They have such tidings and friendship and relations. And we idiots, standing on the verge of Qiyamat, having no knowledge at all, are burrying ourselves in to new and updated fitnas. ASTAGHFIRULLAH
6) Dr. Israr was a great great scholar of Quran, and even those who dont like him, they admit the fact. I challenge all of you, to bring me one scholar, who had such a vast knowledge, and who devoted all his life to teach us Quran, and by the way, Dr. Israr Ahmed wrote a book on Shiya and Sunni Mufaahimat…which was highly admired by IMAM KHUMENI and a government official from Iran visited Dr. Israr, and congratulated him on writing this book.
7)Even if someone dont like Dr. Israr, no problem, you are still a good muslim, he was not a messenger, but.. you may lose the “FAIZ”, the ilm of Quran which you can get by watching his lectures. Those who resist, just watch Dr.Israr Beyan ul Quran, and you will get a lot of information. For my Shiya Brother’s, please listen to Dr. Israr’s beyan titled “Shan-e-Ali R.A”.
8)Once, i was in taking lecture of Islamiyat in third year, a sudden question arose in my mind. I asked my teacher, “Sir, what is the basic difference between Sunni and Shiya?”
He replied, “Son, have you offered your Fajar Salat?”
Ashamed, I replied “No”
He said, “You do not qualify to ask this question”
I ask all of you a question, some are raising questions on Dr. Israr, some on Hazrat Umer R.A..some on other sahabas…
Kia hum sab is qabil hain kay Hazrat Ali R.A, Hazrat Umer R.A, Hazrat Abu Bakar R.A, Hazrat Usman R.A per shaq ya tohmat laga sakain, kia hamara apna zaatee deen mukkamal ho chuka hay, kia hum nimaaz parhtay hain, Quran Parhtay hain, Zakat Detay Hain, Rozay Rakhtay Hain, ????
hum log shayed abhi musalman bhi nahi ban sakay, sirf kalma goh hain…abhi to hamain musalman ban’na hay, phir us ki bohat mehnat kay baad kahin ja kay momin banain gay agar Allah SWT nay hamain hidayet di to.
Chor do ye sub fitnay fasad meray bhayeon, sub apna apna iman sanwaro, apnay dilon main say ye kadooratain nikaal do, bhaye ban jao, kam az kam Hazur Nabi Karim SAW ki baat to manain hum sab, Ali,umer,abu-bakar or usman ghani ki baat to baad main karain gay. Pehlay apnay Piayaray NABI SAW ki seerat ko to follow karain……..
Sochiyey ga zaroor….Qayamat k Roz pehla Sawal Nimaz ka hoga, na kay ye puch jayega kay tumhara maslaq kia hay?
ALLAH hum subko hidayet ata farmaye or her us fitnay say bachaye or panaah main rakhay jis say hamaray NABI SAW nay panaah mangi thi…AMIN
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SALAM UN ALIKUM
Janab har koi keh raha hai Dr. Israr ne hadis bayan ki hai un ka koi qasoor nahi tu i think sahi keh raha ha na bhiyo gatter se badboo hi to atti hai khushboo to nahi ati na bhaioon jis hadi ka hawala diya hai is mardood nay wo hadis quran pak k mukhalif hai yeh waqiya jang-e-khandaq k bad ka hai or is main hazrat Ali a.s shamil nahi thy jang-e-khandaq ko Quran pak ney jang-e-ahzaab ka naam diya hai jis main ayet-e-tathir aai hai jis mian ahla-e-bait a.s ki pakizgi ki gawahi Allah pak ney khud di hai ab ap log khud decide karin app ko Allah k kalam ko manna hi ya 1 bad bakht insaan ko. sambhal jaooooo Mola Ali a.s salam ki walayet k inkaar k bad na namaz kam ati hai na haj na roza na zakat Mola Ali a.s Rosool Allah salal la ho alhy walihi wasalam k Ahly-e-bait mian se hain shiaoo or Mola Ali a.ssalam se bugz na rakho tabaha hojao gaye jesy k hazrat umar ney kaha k Agar ALI a.s na hoty to umer haak hojata samjho Imam Mosa al Raza a.s ney farmaya hai k hamri wilayet k inkar k baais Allah tala namazi per namaz ki halat main lanat karta hai tumhari ibadatin zaya hogain hai sab toba karo or israr ahmed pe laanat bhejooo.
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dekhian sab log jo dr.israr jaise personality ko critcize ker rahe hein unhain pehle yeh dekhna chahye k un k pass deen ka kitna knowledge he.ap log kyun nhn yeh dekh rahe k unhoun nein deen ki kitne khidmat ki.ap k pass jo knowledge he wo yahan a k share krein na k dosroun per tankeed krein.
ALLAH hmein deen ko smjhne or amal kerne ki toffeq ata frmaye
.ammeem
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basit sb. agr ilm deen mein hota tu karbla mein 72 tun shaeed na kiye jate. kia Yazeedun ko ilm nahe tha ke wo kia ker rahe hein. wo marood sub jante the. mgr unhum nein itna ilm rukhne ke bawajood bi lanti ban na tha is liye unke naseeb mein Hidyet na aye. aur wese bi ilm ke bare mein ap kia jane. ilm tu shitan ke pas bi bohut tha aur firishtum ka serdar hote hoe bi mardood bana. kiyun?
so same thing applies on israr. he is shitan aur us ka ilm us ke liye wibale jaan bun gaya.
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DEAR Brothers and sisters
dr israr ny jo kaha …woh chees kisy hurt karti hai ?
meri samjh mai ya baat nahi ayee
koi na koi way tau hona tau shrab ko haram qarar deny ka so woh us time hua jab shrab haram nahi thee or shia jo baat karty hain kia yeh log nahi pety ager itna hi chahny waly hain tau shrab choor dain ager woh nahi manty tau mery sath ayy mai majalis ky baad dekha doon ga kia hota hai …………………………khuda ka wasta hai apny zehan ko kholo jahalat sy niklo
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Saba k khalaf gustakhi Wahabioon ki Haqeeqat ha
Please
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Kisi pe choota ilzam lagana wal pe lanat or Hazrat ALI per ilzam lagana wala per hazar dafa lanat
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May ALLAH Enlighten us with TRUE light of Hidayat and save us from blasphemous act in any sense against Islam and Ulmaa-e-Din. Ameen!
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Dr. Israr was True Scholar of Islam and True represntative…those who donot identify thema as a great pillar of islam are on Astray….away from the path of Sunnah and hidaya’a However I am against his statement unless I see an authenticated Riwayat he gave about Hazrat Ali (R.A.)
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First of all the shia’s need to stop “worshiping” Hazrat Ali and his family. His murder and that of his sons was politically motivated and had nothing to do with Islam. Shias should stop insulting Muslim leaders such as Hazrat Umer, Hazrat Usman, etc.
Shia sect is a joke and they have almost treated Hazrat Ali as the Christians treated Jesus. Shias say such blasphemous things like “Ya Ali madat”, “O Ali help us”. How can he help you when he is dead!!
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Dr israr is the legend of all scholars………. He is the man of dignity, the man of destiny, the man of crisis and the torrential force against the spread of kufr.
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Ali r.a was just a human so he can make mistakes…????
and this incident is quoted in history many times…
why so aggression in this matter??
Shia people say that there imam have elm ul gaib ???
but Allah says only i know ilm ul gaib…
these people who trying to hype this matter… are actual loosers…
why dont you shout on this matter why???
is Ali r.a more dearer than Allah??? Answer me
we respect Ali r.a as all other sahabas …
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dr israr ahmed
do you not think so that this world is made in the sadqa of
mohd saw ali fatima hasan and hussain as stated in quran sharif so please give them respect
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Dr. Israr Ahmad….. Indeed a Great Scholar… The world will remember him for his great work and effort.
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sub sheeya kafir 100 batoon ki 1 baat
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asslaamu alaikum mere bhaiyon jo hum log aapas mein kuch baat ke liye jhagadte hain shayad wo baat kisi ko ghalat lagti ho ya phir kisi ko sahi
ab mein aap se aur khud se yeh puchta hoon k kya hum allah ke ehkaam pure karte hain ya uske rasul ki sunnatein aada karte ho nahi na to mat jhagde khuda hafiz
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Meray AQA صلى اللَّهِ عليه وسلم K piyaron ka aik doosray k liye piyar:
4 Khulfa-e-eRashdeen or unki Mohabbat :
1: HAZRAT ABU BAKR SIDDIQUE(R.A) k wisaal k baad HAZRAT ALI (R.A) ne apko ghusul diya.
2:HAZRAT UMAR FAROOQ (R.A) farmatay thay” Agar ALI (R.A) na hotay to UMAR kab ka halak ho chuka hota”.
3: Jab HAZRAT ALI(R.A) ko maloom hua k HAZRAT USMAN GHANI(R.A) par jaan lewa hamla ho sakta hai to aap ne apnay piyare shehzadon HAZRAT IMAM HASSAN(R.A) or HAZRAT IMAM HUSSAIN (R.A) ko HAZRAT USMAN GHANI(R.A) k ghar ka pehra denay ka hukm diya tha or ap k shehzadon ne kafi dino tak HAZRAT USMAN(R.A) k ghar ka pehra diya tha.
4;HAZRAT ALI (R.A) ne apnay 3 beton ka naam 3no KHULFA-E-RASHDEN K naam pe rakha Abuu Bakr,UMAR or USMAN ♥
MERAY AQA k piyare to aik doosray se be panah mohobat kartay thay to phir unki UMMAT q aik doosray se larti hai ?
Meary MOULA ALI (R.A) masoom hain, MERAY AQA صلى اللَّهِ عليه وسلم Ki aghosh me parwarish payi hai, Meray MOULA ALI(R.A) walion k sardar hai ALLAH k HAIDAR-E-QARRAR hain ♥
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